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mr. lerner's boss 2011? >> i believe it would have been -- >> ingram? >> another gentleman. >> he has since submitted his resignation? >> when she did today? >> she works in the affordable care act? >> who approved her to that position? >> i approved that position. >> why would you move her to a position which was in charge of the extent division or as station, which certainly has had some controversy over the couple of years? what she was an approved single certain -- and approved civil certification -- an approved civil servant. we did horrible customer service. politicallyas motivated or not is a different question. >> time is expired. >> thank you for your testimony. let me tee off with something you just said. he said foolish mistakes were made. i think the president said it better, "the handling of those tax applications at the irs was outrageous and intolerable." no excuse. as much as we know that the folks at the irs have a thankless job because they have to go and tell their fellow americans that they may be audited, they do this work understaf

>> i think miss lerner and miss ingram are going to have to come before the committee. tomorrow we'll have mrlman, mr. george, mr. miller. i think all the people who knew or should have known need to come before the committee, tell us what they did know, try and lead us on the path that gets us to the original authorization for the violation of the civil rights or the privacy, if you will, of these taxpayers in america. >> sir, democratic representative kay hagan was on "morning joe this morning." take a listen. >> one thing i'm focused on is jobs. some of our counties have 17% unemployment rate. we have to come together, democrats and republicans, take action, work together, negotiate, take difficult votes but get it done. >> there is a report out today that a house immigration deal has been reached. do you know anything about that? do you expect the senate immigration bill to potentially come out of committee this week? >> it's supposed to come out at the end of this week or at the very latest the beginning of the first week of june when we come back. there have been eight days of amendment

so, as we look at lerner, and ingram and marks, those are three key players in this investigation. mrt friday decided not to take the fifth. instead, what he did was not answer the questions. and you have inconvenient loss of memory. >> are you saying, do you think you've got leverage here? are you seeing any democrats waiver in their support for the president's agenda? again, specifically obamacare? >> well, i think what you're saying is democrats recognizing that there's a serious problem in the administration, that there's a lack of accountability. look, i was a sheriff for eight years in king county. i was in law enforcement 33 years, if my chief of staff knew what was going on and my legal council knew what was going on and they didn't tell me? there's he a serious problem from that chief of staff and that legal council all the way down through the chain of the irs and other, other parts of the administration. you don't have a targeting issue like we have occurring here in the irs and the chain of command not have any knowledge about it. >> do you believe that the president's chi

ingram, moving over obamacare. i'm looking, david for a quarterback. and the reason i'm interested in mr.orde is colleen kelly and pro obama union, made statements against the tea party, against conservative members of congress. you know, i think that there is some plausibility to this. because i wasn't aware, and this is maybe my down fall, that the irs had become this left wing union. that's the thing. and i'll go back to jeff lorde on this. >> you knew about ntiu. you knew about that. >> i know, but i didn't know -- i always looked at the irs as kind of a bunch of accountants. now what i'm learning is, they have this left wing union bias, jeff lorde. maybe the facts aren't in yet, i agree. but there is enough to ask the questions you're asking, isn't there? >> are you asking me? i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i'll tell you, larry. the problem here is that the irs union is basically both player and referee here. they are going out in their political world and collecting money from irs employees, voluntarily, they say, but, of course, you know, what does the word voluntary mean. and they're giv

mr. nunes mentioned miss lerner. who was her boss in 2011 and 2012. who did she report to? >> i believe it would have been -- >> sarah ingram, maybe?that time and part of that time another gentleman. >> okay. and that other gentleman has since submitted his resignation? >> i believe so. >> and what is miss ingram doing today? what is her job title? >> she works on our, on implementing the affordable care act. >> who promoted her to that position? >> i would have moved her into that position. >> why would you promote somebody to that position who was in charge of the exempt organization division which certainly has had some controversy over the last couple of years? under investigation. >> because she is a superb civil servant, sir. >> so she had nothing to do with this. >> i wouldn't imagine so. by the way i can't speak to individual cases. i can say generally we provided horrible customer service here. i will will admit that. we did, horrible customer service. >> you -- >> is very differen>> individuay doesn't no why he was question number 26. >> time has expired. mr. becerra is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. gentlemen, t

mr. lerner's boss in 2011? who did she report to prove>> i believe it would have been -- >> ingram? >> in other gentleman. -- part of that time, and part of that time, another diamond. >> he has since submitted his bride is a nation -- since submitted his resignation? >> when she did today? >> she works and the affordable care act? >> who proved her to that -- who promoted her? position? >> i approved it that position. >> why would you move her to a position which was in charge of the exempt division when there has been controversy? >> we did horrible customer service. whether it was politically motivated or not is a different question. know this day, he does not why he was question no. 26. >> time is expired. >> thank you for your testimony. let me tee off with something you just said. he said foolish mistakes were made. i think the president said it better, "the handling of those tax applications at the irs was outrageous and intolerable." no excuse. as much as we know that the folks at the irs have a thankless job because they have to go and tell their fellow americans that they