mr. jaffer, he said an eternity this will always happen. >> frank, thanks for your question and thanks for your service and i have an uncle from burma so i totally get it. look, i think he's described a very real challenge that we face. we're never going to sort of end the threat that we face in cyber space. that's not realistic. what we can do i think is buy down the risk and what i mean by that is we know today what we're doing in the government and industry is not effective. we can tell that from kathy's description of the threat that she faced personally in terms of the identity threat, the things that you and i all know about and had happen to us. what we see happening in companies. we've gotten almost jaded to cyber attacks, or cyber thefts, at least of cyber data, you know, data breaches and the like you hear about it every few

mr. jaffer . my concern about the ultimate cyber security threat is can you tell me what our government is doing to harden our grids to protect against an e&p? guest: that is a great question. outside of the cyber arena, which is my focus, i only know a little bit about it from my days back in the government. electric magnetic polls which is often times -- electric fact that it -- electric magnetic pulse, . it cannot out -- it can knock out telecommunications systems analytes. a lot has been done over the years. do we have enough today? i think the answer is probably no. could we do more? certainly. at the end of the day, what is important is that we make sure our critical infrastructure is well protected. the department of homeland security has that mission to do that. they've got a new leader. we should focus on critical areas of importance and work across multiple agencies which have a lot of knowledge in the cyber arena. they should get with the best capabilities. as far as today, i don't have

mr. jaffer, he said an eternity this will always happen. >> frank, thanks for your question and thanks for your service and i have an uncle from burma so i totally get it. look, i think he's described a very real challenge that we face. we're never going to sort of end the threat that we face in cyber space. that's not realistic. what we can do i think is buy down the risk and what i mean by that is we know today what we're doing in the government and industry is not effective. we can tell that from kathy's description of the threat that she faced personally in terms of the identity threat, the things that you and i all know about and had happen to us. what we see happening in companies. we've gotten almost jaded to cyber attacks, or cyber thefts, at least of cyber data, you know, data breaches and the like you hear about it every few weeks and you sort of become blase to it. >> we will leave this event here to take you live to the national league of cities conference where house speaker nancy pelosi will be address the group along with a number of mayors. live coverage here on c-span3. >>

mr. jaffer . my concern about the ultimate cyber security threat is can you tell me what our government is doing to harden our grids to protect against an e&p? guest: that is a great question. outside of the cyber arena, which is my focus, i only know a little bit about it from my days back in the government. electric magnetic polls which is often times -- electric fact that it -- electric magnetic pulse, . it cannot out -- it can knock out telecommunications systems analytes. a lot has been done over the years. do we have enough today? i think the answer is probably no. could we do more? certainly. at the end of the day, what is important is that we make sure our critical infrastructure is well protected. the department of homeland security has that mission to do that. they've got a new leader. we should focus on critical areas of importance and work across multiple agencies which have a lot of knowledge in the cyber arena. they should get with the best capabilities. as far as today, i don't have