on one hand, more tasks to mr. jain and also more pressure on mr. jain to deliver because the time is over now. erik: your company has funds amount dutch of bank -- amounts of -- and deutsche bank. do they have you support? ingo: our approach is to say to the board members who knows all the details. it is not the question of the system from a shareholder point of view to dismiss management. erik: i understand that from a practical point of view, but do you think he is the right man to be running this bank? as you just explain, jain has more power and effectively in control of the bank's strategy is that the right move? ingo: we took a vote today against management because we have no trust in the management. nevertheless, it is a last chance for mr. jain to prove the strategy is right and he has to deliver late and we will see what happens. erik: he has one year to prove himself or else? ingo: correct. erik: thank you very much. olivia: breaking news coming out from hewlett-packard. vonnie quinn has more. vonnie: we are getting headlines out of hewlet