than they are now pakistani they have a flag, their own government and the two leading lights, one mr. jana, he was an english speaker he died and then the cofounder of pakistan died there they were two years into this great experiment with no leaders and so in this land, very fertile land, but then this were about 50 million people maybe now -- >> 100 and something. >> 180. >> tripled in the land size and lahore to islam ma bad is like driving san francisco to l.a. >> how did you practice the different religions? >> part of what happened, the zea who came in, moved the government officially toward being an islamic state and at the beginning, janaa saw it as pakistan was muslim with a lot of rights guaranteed to other religions but more and more it moved officially to be a muslim state, and so everyone has to attend classes on islam and so on and so on there is a small christian minority, 5% perhaps of pakistan is christian centered mostly in the punjab. there are a few hindus but not nearly as many, you have to remember in indian there are more muslims in india than there are in pakistan.