mr. murray? >> >> good commissioners, jarvis can the sfmta and we are here related not because of something that is a minor infraction, i think that the average person you would have to ask yourself, how would that person feel if they found out that a driver a taxi driver who owned the vehicle was using their credit card when they were not in the vehicle and running it and charging money on that credit card. i think it is our duty as the sfmta, to up hold our drivers and especially our medallion holders who have complete ownership and control of that vehicle to a standard that says you can't do this to the riding public. you can't do this to our most vulnerable population which is the elderly and disabled. what we have here is the usage of the para transit card and now i explained it in my brief but to quickly so that you can understand again, the para transit program is a program that is being used here in san francisco to allow our elderly and disabled population to take rides in vans and taxis throughout the city so they can do various errands would be do physician beingly demanding and diffi

mr. jarvis admitted is two incidents which were corroborated by the women in the car, the rest is speculation because so and so was taken from point a to b and that does not look like and therefore we conclude that this was some sort of a pernicious activity and that is all speculation. and so, based on the proof that we have, we have a very little, amount of money, and in that, is involved in these transactions. and the punishment is way over the top. and way over the top. and you can't take this man's livelihood and his business away and his ability to support his family on the basis of this kind of proof. you got to give him a chance to... and a little bit. thank you. >> thank you. >> i have a question, actually. i have a question for you. >> so this is the difficulty that i am having, so you are stating that it was a very small amount, $20 something but you are suggesting a $10,000 fine and can you explain your reasoning there? >> i thought if you want to punish him that is a big punishment, that is a huge punishment for him. >> and so i would rather it be less. >> it is not grounded in a