mr. jefferson to free mr. jefferson slaves remained fixed. is mr. thomas jefferson walked into the admiral county courthouse carrying a letter from kosciusko the seventh i want to -- do you think the court is going to delay? only because jefferson did not press it. he did not want to press it. anything else? billy? >> john bonser was a merchant in philadelphia and income from investments for going into john barnes account in which jefferson helped signatory of attorney so $4000 at least one into that count and john barnes said why do you use this money for your own purposes and it comes out of kosciusko's money so he was using it as collateral in this very ingenious method of financial methods and that makes today's financial managers look like tigers. he was very skillful and that was one of the ways he got access to money. and there is a list of people and that is why he was able to live with the debt. >> did you see the letter written after jefferson's death when jeff randolph tried to revive her will? hero to the lawyer in new york who was appare

mr. jefferson to free mr. jefferson's slaves remained fixed. if mr. thomas jefferson walk in the court house carrying the will, carrying a letter saying i want it acted upon. you think the court is going to delay? well, only because jefferson didn't press it. he didn't want to press it. anything else? >> access to the money but john barns was a merchant in phil phil -- philadelphia were going in to a account which he helped authority pour of attorney. $4 ,000 at least went in to the account and john barns said why don't you use the money for your own purposes that comes out money. he was using it like he did william short's money in the collateral ingeneious method -- he was skillful. and that was one of the ways he got access to the money. >> right. >> actually. >> and it's not just in short been there's a list of people. he was able to live with the debt. >> right. did you see the letter written after the death when he tried to revive the will? he wrote to the lawyer in new york who was apparently controlling the funds and said, can we please revive

mr. jefferson to free mr. jefferson's slaves would mean a fixed. if mr. thomas jefferson walks into the county courthouse carrying his well, carrying a letter and supply what is acted upon, you think the court is going to be laid? only because jefferson didn't press it. he didn't want to press it. anyone else? >> the money merchant in philadelphia from the investments going into the john bond account on which jefferson held signatory authority p.a.. so $5,000 at least went into that account and he said why don't you use this money for your own purpose that comes out his money so he was using it like joost williams money as collateral in this very -- ingenious method of financial m.a.d.d. 68 the mathematics that makes today's financial managers look like pikers and that is one of the ways he got access to the money. and it's not just kosciuszko in short, but there is a list of people that was able to live with the bank. >> did you see the letter written after jefferson's def when jeff randall tried to revive the well? he wrote to the lawyer in new york who

mr. jefferson."re was remarkable intellectual curiosity inculcated and cultivated at william & mary in williamsburg which he loved. it was a transformative experience for him. >> jon: he and i are just so similar in nature. (laughter) >> i know, i know. (laughter). >> jon: i'm curious how much time he spent there high. because i know for me -- can you stick around? >> sure. >> jon: i want to talk a little bit more. jefferson is truly such a seminal figure in the founding of our country. >> and his views do speak to what we are talking about now. >> jon: no question about it. "thomas jefferson: the art of power." it's on the bookshelves now. fascinating. jon meacham. we'll be right back with more. (cheers and applala >> jon: that's our show. here silt your moment of zen. >> your colleagues privately say that your decision to stay on prohibits the party from having a younger leerership and hurts the party in the long term. what's your response? >> discrimination! ♪ uno ♪ dos ♪ tres ♪ quatro ♪ ah ♪ ah ♪

mr. jefferson because what i did was simply to quote documents that she and other leading jefferson historiansferred to ignore. i brought them before the public. they're startling. they're ugly. they change our view of jefferson. i didn't like it when i found it. i didn't like writing about it. but there it is. and i can answer her question about loathing jefferson. i certainly don't loathe the man who wrote the declaration of independence. >> yeah, you know, henry, the basic issue of how do you grapple with major historical figure, a founder of the country who also, you know, sort of promoted in his own way slavery. you know, these perpetuated in his own way. how do you grapple with it from a historical legacy that's not unique to jefferson? obviously you're looking at jefferson and slavery and a har judgment but that's not a judgment you have drawn about other founders who own slaves. i'm thinking about george washington in particular. i wonder from the standpoint of looking back from today what would a slave owning founding father or what did a slave owning founding father have to do to get

mr. jefferson, i'm sorry i'm late. been raised in this federalist family, taught this man was a great threat. >> she blushes and can't even speak. >> she has fallen -- one definition of charm is how do you make people fall in love with you without knowing why and jefferson had that. >> i never had that problem, john heilemann. >> the writer's question. you write these books about these dead white guys who have been written about, you know, forever and a lot. in your books, people who have covered copiously. how do you approach -- like thom thomas jefferson, an interesting guy, thousands of pages written. >> sure. >> how do you approach that? what's the novelty? what's the thing you were looking for that gives you a point of differentiation? >> i think my sense is that jefferson has been seen as this detached figure. he has been -- he hasn't been very well served in the past ten years or so because of the growing popularity of john adams, of alexander hamilton and jefferson was left standing there. what i wanted to do a

jefferson street. >> again, president chu, in your district. >> thank you, mr. chair, colleagues, this is a liquor license that involves an establishment that i think many in san francisco know quite well which is the gold dust lounge, it has had a wonderful history in union square and fortunately the land lard to the gold dust lounge did not see fit to continue renting to that establishment and instead is moving a national clothing boutique into that space which from my perspective and i think the per spective of many, i think supervisor olague thought was a real shame given the historic nature of the gold dust lounge, i was heartened and i think many were heartened to learn that the gold dust lounge hopes and plans to be moving to the fisherman's wharf area, this is a liquor license related to that, i know there was significant outreach to the fisherman's wharf area to make sure folks would understand the kind of neighborhood business that the gold dust lounge has been and with that, this is a liquor license transfer that i support and i just want to mention b

mr. james. [ applause ] >> hello. my name is brenda washington and i'm a tenant organizer at the jefferson hotel in the tenderloin and i want to thank supervisors kim and campos for this legislation and i also want to take this opportunity to thank everyone who worked from the sro collaborative, who supported this legislation stand to up and be recognized. everybody raise your hand. we want to thank you guys. [ applause ] >> thank you, miss washington. i did call up emrano perez, if she is still here. please come up. >> supervisors kim, farrell, campos, i wish to testify anonymously. i have a few random thoughts on bed bugs, the spread of bed bugs. first of all, i don't think we have a clue as to how pervasive bed bugs are in san francisco. a thoughtfully constructed survey needs to be devised and implemented. supervisor kim i would suggest that there isn't an apartment building in the tenderloin free of bed bugs. the tenderloin is densely populated. a low-income area, old and neglected buildings, an area in other words vulnerable to their spread. no. 2, interest there is no consistently effective treatment that i am

jefferson, everybody is going to read it. but what can a president learn? i always ask what's the best chapter for me to read? what's the chapter you'd say, mr. president, read this one, if you read nothing else, in my book? >> 36 or 37, because it's about how to use the white house in the way michael's talking about to advance your agenda. the power of a president's company, the power of his charm, even when they are particularly charming, cannot be overstated. one of the things i think the president has had a difficult time in the first term with is reaching out not only across the aisle, but within his caucus. the democratic senators haven't spent a lot of time with him. chris: that's a knock. >> what thomas jefferson did every night congress was in session, he had lawmakers down to dinner and anybody could sit where they wanted. it was pell mel they called it, and he just talked, and they talked. chris: i love that. they didn't play card. they didn't doing so that kept together, like cards or golf. >> he didn't want republicans and federalists there, because they might fight. he wanted all republicans or all federalists to weave those att

even as many of them voted not guilty so as the rejection of jefferson's attempt to define -- redefined political dissent as a high crime and mrmeter -- misdemeanor. >> going back to 1824 and 1828, if you didn't go around giving speeches and what they did today, what did he do? >> he believed that the american people should have a good common sense to judge a man on the basis of his talent and his accomplishments and he was wrong. he didn't have a good sense, and he actually did not win the most votes in the first election. andrew jackson won more popular votes than he did but jefferson didn't have a majority in congress. so, they -- the presidential race was thrown into the house of representatives and the probability of john quincy adams despised jackson and was terrified of the possibility of the presidency he said jefferson was a barbarian who could hardly run his name and so he got together with henry clay who had the votes in the presidential election and promised him to be the secretary of state and they pull their votes together in the house of representatives and that's how he was elected to the presidency. in the nex

mrs. madison library, he did not have as many books as jefferson, but he read them.laughter] and i said jefferson was not there at the time of the constitution. he was off doing other work. he did the declaration of independence. he and john marshall were cousins. it is a strong word, but they hated each other. before a lot of reasons going back into the midst of the history of their families, but also because -- with jefferson aside, and it is an important distinction, a lot of the founding fathers were war heroes. you think of alexander hamilton -- hamilton, john marshall, you don't think about how they became who they work. marshall was at valley forge. he behaved heroically in a number of engagements. and he resented the fact pedersen did not par in but had -- the fact that jefferson did not participate in an enterprise. but i have gotten off on a tangent. but madison wrote the constitution. he is my favorite. >> what has surprised you the most since joining the supreme court? >> two things. the first, how serious the discussion is in the conference room. in the

jefferson parish right outside of new orleans. the average american public school, elementary, middle and high school but there were some incredible teachers there. i think in high school in particular mr. hernandez, mr. kennedy. mr. kennedy was a journalism teacher. class should not be lecture. clash of the working alongside students in the journalism class. we had a creative project. she would give us feedback and i remember those interactions. a lot of the experience i got from journalism i still think about when i'm working on the khan academy. early, i was lucky i got into what you call now the ct program and what they did was you have is very structured prussian curriculum for most of the day but one day a week they take you out of the classroom and into this unique classroom. here you go into this classroom which is essentially the kind of classroom i believe everyone should have. you have these two teachers and they have ph.d.s in education and i remember the first day walking into ct and she says what do you want to do? i was like, i like to draw. then she said you should draw more than. she would introduce me to different styles and different tools to draw. what else are you

jefferson parish right outside of new orleans the average american public school, elementary, middle and high school, but there were some incredible teachers there i think in high school in particular mr hernandez and ms. kennedy was a journalism teacher and they shouldn't be a lecture, they shouldn't be working alongside the teacher who had a creative product in the newspaper to work on and i was the art editor giving feedback and she was like our senior and i remember those interactions, a lot of the experience i still think about when i am working on the academy. i think early i don't know what they call it now in these programs and with the date is the structured curriculum for most of the day but then they teach you of a different classroom and their you go to this kind of classroom pa the teachers have ph.d. s and education and i remember the first day she said what do you want to do? and i was like eight -- i like to draw. she said you should draw more then. introduced me to a different tools and styles what else are you interested in? i said i like puzzles. she said here or puzzles and she would give me brain teasers and i was able there were other kids working on things and i

jefferson. [laughter] i'll give you an anecdote. last year vice president biden went and spent a week with the next leader of china, mr. chi. i was down in washington right after this trip. this is an absolutely true story. i went to one high-ranking official and said what's chi like? this guy said, this is someone we can deal with. he's pragmatic, he's much looser than the current regime, we can do business, this is good news for u.s./china relations. two hours later i spoke to another person in the administration equally high level who had also been on the trip, said what do you think of mr. chi? this guy's really dangerous. [laughter] this guy's a nationalist, and we're in deep trouble in our relationship. i swear to god, that's what i heard within two hours. so we haven't -- [laughter] dungdeng xiaoping we didn't know there were going to be the reforms, with hu jintao we sort of thought they'd be going forwards, they're going backwards. it's more repressive in certain areas now than it was in the late '80s. if they don't make changes in their economic and political system in the next decade, i think we can see real inst

jefferson, new book i grant. it's a storm of scholarship by some very great writers. and mr. branson is a historian i admire greatly. i don't know him, but i have read many of his books. he is a wonderful historian who is also wonderful storyteller. his second point, lincoln and education, absolutely true. this is one part of the lincoln legend and myth that is not manufactured. a life of an extreme difficulty, extreme poverty, at nine years of his mother dies of what was called the milk sickness. you got it from drinking milk that came from cows that had eaten a poisonous weeds. jerry typical among pioneer settlers. he, at nine years old, has to help build her coffin and then drag it to be buried. part of his childhood. and then, indeed, his stepfather was not well educated, insisted that they read and read and read, and he loved to read very, very minimal education, but that is a story that is repeated many times i found in looking steadily at the 19th century presidents, when education was not available in compulsory, even a man like millard fillmore, who we don't really p

mrs. thornton. she was very prominent. her husband had designed the u.s. capitol and was a very close friend of george washington and a very close friend of thomas jefferson,she was a leading lady in society, and so they wouldn't rave about what she was doing directly, in that part, you know, you could tell the word had gotten around that she was trying to help arthur and so that was kind of -- you could kind of see that. nobody ever wrote an article about that but you heard information on that throughout the press. so, yeah. >> a couple questions. you talked a lot about the different parallels between then and now and i guess i would be more interested on race and what parallels you might see. also you are talking a lot of then and now like they were condemned to repeat history. is this your conclusion or something they can learn? >> i think -- yes, the politics of race or central and when i talk about those principles, you know, that we debate in the kind of red, blue, conservative division, race runs through them and that is a big part of it. one thing that is remarkable about the story coming and remember, and inauguration day pennsylvania avenue and g

mr. romney will be in new hampshire tonight with singer kid rock. our final coverage starts at 8:00 eastern. >> we're going to be watching the counties around denver. you'll hear a lot of talk about jefferson county whichever candidate in the presidential race wins those counties, they have a much easier path to winning the state of colorado. i'll be looking closely at the number of republican votes coming out of douglas county on the western slope. another swing county we pay attention to is northern colorado, it's fort collins is there, home to colorado state university. then we'll be looking at as far as democrats boulder and denver and seeing if they're getting their numbers the way they want to. and the democrats have paid considerable attention to the southwest corner of the state. so we'll be looking there to see if they're banking lots of coats in the southwest corner of the state as well. >> we've got a couple of swing counties as every state has. the nice part is one of these bell wethers is just east of the lake. they usually turn the results in first and they're pretty close. they've often predicted the president fment i'm going to look there and in central ohio. obviously we'r