mr. jenner and others picked the staff. they had -- they had a pretty good, 90% of the staff was their choice, and i think they picked some of the best people, and you'll later see, in the country. >> do you remember any of the republicans pushing for their -- >> pushing for staff? >> yes. >> oh, absolutely. oh no. everything was -- it was very -- it was very easy. this was very partisan, yes. very sense, yes, but there was a korgality and respect between the two parties. the ranking member was congressman hutchison who was quite eloquent, and had the deep respect of chairman rodino, but hutchison was up in age and this obviously was very stressful for him. so the second ranking republican was a gentleman by the name of mcclory from illinois, i a sfronk election came very important to the advisor. but their influential to in terms of cutting this intellectual thought into this. dynamic, the congressman from california, the fbi agent, very important in because he was a very liberal person, he was the congressman's gate, sort

mr. jenner from chicago. i can't remember his first name. >> burt. >> burt. >> did the congressman rodino interview jenner for the job? >> i don't remember. i nope he was on the list, because i remember talking to him one night saying this is a great choice. again, he met the criteria from rodino's point. he thought he was honorable. he thought he was not partisan. he was republican. you know, strong republican roots, but out of chicago, but -- and he thought he had the intellectual heft. so he was very pleased with that choice when they picked -- so that was done. then a lot of politicking, because this is a political process. take place in picking the staff. because the counter -- to satisfy the more liberal members of the committee, they wanted their person on the staff. who came in the name of cates. >> dick cates? >> yeah. dick cates from wisconsin. i believe he was -- and -- that was challenges because that wasn't john doar's selection, because he didn't meet -- but politics play as very important role

mr. jenner, but i don't have to take your word for that. i saw the report you just filed about how prostitution should be legalized, and that's not binding on me anymore than what you are saying right now and one of the democratic members said i hope the member from ohio reflects on what he said. dell latter did not need to reflect on what he said. that was an example of the comracam comraamaraderie on the committe. sam was considerably more conservative. he approached this -- i won't say as a -- entirely as a partisan, but his view at the beginning was, listen, if the president of the united states is going to be impeached and removed from office, somebody better give me a pretty dang good reason, or we're going to be a banana republic. he had deep relations with some of the conservative republican wing on the committee, and i don't think bert jenner did. both of them tried to be very professional about it. but there was tension? yeah, there was tension. >> had he worked for spiro agnew? >> i forgot that if that was true. >> did you play a