mr. jilali, minister jilali, the relationship between the two men is pretty good. they each understand what's at stake, and to their credit they both took an incredibly responsible and statesmanlike position to put aside what their personal preference would be and to focus on the good of the country. the problem is keeping that focus is incredibly difficult and it is much more difficult for the people around them as they go through the difficult dynamics of actually governing, making decisions, making appointments and all the rest of it. everybody's disappointed they haven't made more progress, including both of them, i know from speaking to them. they remain committed to trying to make this work, because they believe, as i do, and as i still do, that there is no better alternative for afghanistan than making this work, even if it's painfully difficult. the alternatives to forming the national unity government or an alternative now to it in some form can never create the kind of -- even if it's only formal unity that the country requires. and indeed, our discussion