mr. jim brown. [ applause ] take it away, harry. >> thank you very much. it's a real learn to be here with two men that i have known for about the last 45 or 50 years and if you hear a touch of respect and admiration and affection in my voice during the course of this conversation you have me correctly. i want to begin by stating that there have been four athletes over the last half of the 20th century who have been utterly transfor transformative. the first, of course, is the immortal jackie robinson. the second -- [ applause ] -- the second is the indomnitable mr. bill russell. [ applause ]. and the third is the incomparable mr. jim brown. [ applause ] and the fourth is the absolutely unconquerable ms. billie jean king. [ applause ] i want to focus on the struggle at the interface of race, sport and society and in preparing for this conversation i went back and read jim brown and bill russell's first two books, jim brown's off my chest, and out of bounds. and bill russell's glory for glory and second wind. i think that those are four books that should be