mr. john mackey. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, please no applause. this is a courtroom. [laughter] >> mr. mackey, will you swear on this whole foods -- whole foods apple to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you god? >> how do i know that is really a whole foods apple? >> because dr. skousen went to whole foods and told me he bought it. we will stipulate that is a whole foods apple. >> i do. >> mr. mackey, thank you. thank you for being here. let me start by asking you this question. you are the ceo and president of whole foods. how many employees do you have around the country? >> i think about 61,000. >> 61,000? of the 61,000 would you say that you are an employer that provides your employees with a fair wage and a fair benefit? could you describe a little bit the wages and benefits that you provide for your workers? >> the average wage -- $16.50 an hour. the benefits are extensive, fully provided health care, food discounts, retirement benefits. it is a very generous -- we have been named one of the 100 hundredth escott panisse to work f