mr. jordan, sorry to interrupt. i said five minutes. you have seven minutes. take seven. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> you can take less. try not to take more. >> i shall. i also wanted to note that to assist with the addressing full spectrum of needs of all individuals aaffected by the tradgedirks we established the washington navy yard recovery task force led by the assistant secretary of the navy for the environment. as government officials our highest duty is to protect the

mr. jordan. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i would first say we owe the survivors of this tragedy and the american people a comprehensive and thoughtful review. what information do we look at? when do we review people in the suitability and security clearance process? how can we improve on all these aspects? the review i talked will be done collaboratively. the reviews, the department of defense reviews and the overarch regular view which all our agencies are involved in. we will act on any improvements as quickly as possible. where there are gaps, we will close them. where there were failures we'll correct them. if i was one of the families of the victims, i wouldn't just want to hear about prophecies and proceed yiffers, i would have some concerns that there's a blue ribbon type creation as opposed to actual improvements to prevent this happening again. i would just say to them, i live near the navy yard. on the morning of september 16, my wife and my 2-year-old son were playing in a park across the street when they were cle

mr. jordan asked you some questions, one of the things that he asked you was about your involvement in meetings. he was specifically referencing mrs. -- or ms. -- i'm looking for the name. well, let me just ask you this. were any of the meetings that you attended at the white house? >> it depends how you describe the white house. >> the treasury, old executive office building and new -- >> i didn't know if you talked physical or organizational. >> organizational. >> i work at an agency that is part of the executive office of the president. so every meeting i have is considered sort of part of 9 -- of that organization. >> was ms. lambeau present? >> as i answered in my question to mr. jordan, one or two meetings, yes. >> what were those meetings about? >> they were asking actually my private sector advice on demand generation and marketing to young people. how to use social media to reach out to uninsured americans. >> so who was briefing the white house about the status of the website? no one? did no one brief the white house about the status of the website before october 1st? mr. chao? >> not

mr. jordan, sorry to interrupt. i said five minutes. you have seven minutes. take seven. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> you can take less. try not to take more. >> i shall. i also wanted to note that to assist with the addressing full spectrum of needs of all individuals aaffected by the tradgedirks we established the washington navy yard recovery task force led by the assistant secretary of the navy for the environment. as government officials our highest duty is to protect the national security, including the confidentiality of confidential information. we have a critically important obligation to protect individuals performing work on behalf of federal agencies from workplace violence. in recent years with congress' help, we have taken a number of important actions to strengthen protections of both nurt information and the physical security of federal facilities such as improving the effectiveness and efficiency of background investigations, and strengthening the processes by which agencies make national security and suitability determinations. we must ensur

mr. jordan, sorry to interrupt. i said five minutes. you have seven minutes. take seven. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> you can take less. try not to take more. >> i shall. i also wanted to note that to assist with the addressing full spectrum of needs of all individuals affected by the tragedies, we established the washington navy yard recovery task force led by the assistant secretary of the navy for the environment. as government officials our highest duty is to protect the -- we established the washington navy yard recovery task force led by the assistant secretary of the navy for the environment. as government officials our highest duty is to protect the national security, including the confidentiality of confidential information. we have a critically important obligation to protect individuals performing work on behalf of federal agencies from workplace violence. in recent years with congress' help, we have taken a number of important actions to strengthen protections of both national security information and the physical security of federal facilities su

mr. jordan thank you so much. ms. kaplan please. >> chairman carper ranking member coburn and members of the committee thank you for asking me to be here today. the offense that occurred at the navy yard last month were heartbreaking. 12 civilian employees among them civil servants and members of our contract workforce were ruthlessly gunned down. all of these individuals were doing what millions of their colleagues in the federal workforce across the country do every day come to work to serve nay and people put food on their tables and provide for their families. as the acting director of the office of personnel management and the federal government's chief kirsanow officer i share your commitment and that of our president to identify and address the root causes of this terrible tragedy. i also share your commitment and that of my colleagues seated at this table to perfecting to the greatest extent humanly possibly our processes and procedures for determining who shall be allowed access to our nation's secrets and gr

mr. jordan? >> yes? >> sorry to interrupt. you have seven minutes so take seven. >> okay, thank you, mr. chairman. >> you can take less, but try not to take anymore. [laughter] >> i shall. [laughter] i also wanted to note to assist with addressing the full spectrum of needs of all individuals affected by the tragedy, there's the washington navy yard recovery task force led by the assistant secretary of the navy for energy, installations, and the environment. as government officials, our highest duty is to protect national security including the confidentialty of classified information. we have an obligation to protect individuals performing work on behalf the federal agencies from workplace violence. in recent years with congress' help, we took a number of important actions to strengthen protections of both national security information and the physical security of federal facilities such as improving the echtiveness and improvements and strengthen processes making national security and suitability determinations. we have to en

mr. jordan. >> recognized. without objection, the german from ohio will be able to control the time. >> i think the chairman for yielding. meadows asked the pertinent question. there were a series of meetings held at the white house weekly presided overwere by folks in the white house. mr. meadows asked who are the people who can answer the questions. the questions like, why did you not know the security assessment was not completely done? who can answer the questions about why you decided to go ahead and launch this october 1? we know who the person is because according to the washington post story, november 2, and memo that they got from david cutler, spells it out. mr. cutler said, we need to put someone from the private sector in charge, someone who has the experience and expertise, and the president said no, he only made up his mind, nancy is that person. that is the person we need. , mr.utler also points out meadows has referenced this as well. according to the memo, the overall head of imitation was jean

mr. jordan. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i would first say we owe the survivors of this tragedy and the american people a comprehensive and thoughtful review. what information do we look at? when do we review people in the suitability and security clearance process? how can we improve on all these aspects? the review i talked will be done donelked about will be collaboratively. the reviews, the department of defense reviews and the overarch review, which all our agencies are involved in. this will not be a siloed effort. we will act on any improvements as quickly as possible. where there are gaps, we will close them. where there were failures we'll correct them. if i was one of the families of the victims, i wouldn't just want to hear about processes and procedures. i would have some concerns that there's a blue ribbon type creation as opposed to actual improvements to prevent this happening again. i would just say to them, i live near the navy yard. on the morning of september 16, my wife and my 2-year-old son were playing

mr. jordan asked you, mr. chao, if it was thoroughly tested and you said yes. am jordan didn't ask the next follow-up question. how did it do on those tests? did it pass? >> i think what i was -- if i said thoroughly, i apologize. >> you said it was tested. >> it was tested under the prescribed. we were talking about security testing so i was saying it was tested under the prescribed security controls. like mr. snowden, are those security risks there? also ask with respect to the private sector, if there's a data breach or compromise, your credit card information or your personal information gets released, there's a federal law requiring notice. i just got notice from a major software company that my credit card had been compromised. would we find out if our information on healthcare.gov is compromised? is there something in place where we'll know if that information has been hacked? >> yes, there are actually several laws and rules that apply like particularly are disclosing any incident or breach that involves a person's -- >> so, no special exceptions that we

mr. jordan? i'll take you down to booking and get you fingerprinted. get your picture taken. >> jordan's stay at the jail is likely to be a short one. he is awaiting extradition on charges of armed robbery and attempted murder. >> so whenever they come, i should be back to indiana. that's about all i know right now. >> jordan says that his outburst is still a mystery to him. in meeting with mental health staff, jordan insisted he had not taken any drugs that day. but he appeared unsure when asked if his actions were real or not. >> it was kind of a mind trip within a mind trip of myself. do i want to act crazy, you know, to get myself out of it, you know. >> jordan says he had a brain tumor removed as a child and ever since has been subject to blackouts that bring out erratic behavior when under stress. >> my mind tends to shut down and i go into a state of mind where i feel like i'm not conscious. >> jail officials allowed us to show jordan video we shot of his arrival to see how much of it he recalls. >> i'm going to play this for you, okay? and this

mr. jordan near a white woman. that one was in indiana. and again, he specifically sought out interracial couples to attack and murder. and when he saw that interracial pornographic feature in "hustler" magazine, the neonazi serial killer decided "hustler" magazine publisher larry flynt also had to die. so the neonazi serial killer essentially stalked larry flynt, tried to find a place where he might be able to kill him. he learned that larry flynt was going to be in a courthouse in georgia, appearing in one of his many, many trials for obscenity. and joseph paul franklin went to that courthouse and laid in wait. and when he had larry flynt in his sights, he shot him with a hunting rifle. he paralyzed mr. flynt from the waist down for life. that was 35 years ago. when police finally caught up with the killer, they tried and convicted him for eight different murders. although he says he killed many more than that, he says he killed upward of 20 people. they never prosecuted mr. franklin specifically for shooting larry flynt, but he confesse

of a long time but is most certainly more sadly its short term policy in a completely agree with mr jordan's the analysis of the situation. at this point it's too difficult to see anything in the long term and indeed the training of the egyptian officers by the americans is a an anchor of american policy and american interests in egypt however i do say it will continue in the short term up obviously it's just a move by the egyptian government to get america's attention however like to see another sign mention as well russia is a symbol of stability in egypt is searching for stability at this point russia has been consistent in its policy. it hasn't been popular. in the world opinion. they say in regard to sin because of syria. but for a government looking for stability with russia has proven is that it is consistent and will back its allies. the other hand america. especially in egypt recently has been flip flopping up. it has a first aid and supported of the egyptian military government. then it started supporting insurgents in a very ambiguous way van the united states the ropes we need so

mr. jordan is recognized. >> mr. chao, a week ago, the president was interviewed. he was asked about secretary sibelius. from the chuck todd interview. the health secretary argued that the website was not her fault. >> kathleen sebelius does not write code. who is the i.t. person? who is the person in charge and responsible? who signed off on this? >> the person who is responsible is marilyn. >> did she based her decisions on the memo you sent? is that right? >> i think that -- >> the president talked about an i.t. person. which of you is that person? >> i don't know. >> and refers to a person. person.fers to a who is the i.t. person in charge? >> i do not know what you are referring to. >> that me go to slide three. slide three.to complete end to end testing never occurred. did that raise concerns? did you know about that before october 1? >> i think that is taken out of context. >> it is in pretty plain language. e octoberne befor 1. >> i say this again out of context because there is quite a few -- >> did you know about the testing before october 1? >> i have no

mr. jordan. there's no real words to describe the loss both to the nation as well as the family members that are sitting behind us. i can give you a guaranteed commitment not just from the dni, but each one at the table that we'll continue to work to find the solution. this is an evolutionary process sm as we find gaps in the processes and the way we do our business, the techniques, available information, we'll continue to utilize those to come up with the best possible process to improve how we do our business on behalf of the u.s. government as well as the u.s. citizens. >> thank you, sir. steven? >> in addition to what my fellow witnesses have had to say, i would just add that we need to make a commitment and effectively ensure that what happens between investigations is something that is tracked. we vet people, we entrust them with our classified information and access to our sensitive facility, and we have an obligation to ensure that we're looking at people between investigations and taking

mr. jordan is recognized. >> i thank the chairman. mr. chao, we could go, the president was interviewed last thursday and was asked about secretary sebelius. he said the president defected interview.from the argued that the website bugs aren't necessarily her fault. quote, kathleen sebelius doesn't write codes. she wasn't our i.t. person. who is the i.t. person? who is the person in charge, who is the person responsible, who is the one who signed off on this bhf it went public? >> the person that's somebody is our administrator, marilyn tavener. >> did she base her decisions on the memo you sent her on the 27th, isn't that right? is that the authority to operate memo? the president talked about i.t. person. miss tavener person. who is that? is that mr. van roekel? mr. park? mr. chao? which of you is that person? >> i don't know. i didn't speak to the president. >> he refers to a person. who would it be? who is the i.t. person in charge? >> i don't know what the president was referring to. >> let me start with slide c-3 if i could. this is

the two men you heard from, the chairman of the house oversight committee darryl issa and jim jordan. mr. chairman, what is the average american to make of what you have heard today? why don't you surmise what you have heard in the last couple of days? >> this is one of the greatest management break downs one could find. we had the chief information and technology people working for the president on this signature project and to a person they would not take responsibility. in fact, when questioned they couldn't name the person who was responsible for this failure to launch and one of the individuals, mr. chow, implied there wasn't a failure. that it sort of worked. of course he wasn't one that got in or 240 that managed to sign up by the second day. i guess he doesn't know what failure is. >> let's go to some of the risk issues. >> the fact they launched it with navigators with no criminal background checks, we learned there was a memo issued and they found prior to the launch two memos and it said the threat and risk potential to the system is limitless. limitless. he never saw the memo

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when jordan's friends tried to back the car away, mr. dunn aimed his handgun and fired off several more rounds. nine total pierced the car. there are any number of ways that this interaction might have gone, but there was only one way it could have ended once a gun into the equation. -- entered the equation. in florida, over one million people carry concealed weapons. additionally, 10,000 to 15,000 more floridians are approved to carry guns in public every month, faster than any state in the nation. nationally, florida has some of the loosest permitting requirements. automobile glove boxes are becoming modern-day gun boxes. in his glove box, michael dunn kept a nine millimeter semiautomatic gun along with two loaded magazines. once he had unloaded his gun at my son, and his teenage friends, he immediately went back to his hotel, ordered a pizza, and slept. he left the scene and made no attempt to call police. he retreated, but only after he killed my son. the next morning, he was arrested two hours away. those are hardly the actions and

mr. ames worth if he knew about the association between jack ruby and the harvey oswald. the journalistic colleague of mine, worked for jordan maclennan's case. said that he saw ruby altogether numerous times talking, so sitting with @booktv. still live in centennial i did so you, there is not one visit in person who has come forth with any kind of proof at all. i don't believe. >> let me just elaborate on that one moment. i think that in the response to the comment about the commission that we have no more ability to stop the flood of conspiracy. there is an ability to stop reporters reporting incorrectly. and, in fact, he did not try. he is relating what happens. the commission interviewed 560 witnesses. the sworn testimony on these witnesses. they had to evaluate the evidence and reach the conclusion that there was only one assassin and no credible evidence at the time of a conspiracy. the commission members had no interest whatsoever in doing anything other than finding out the truth. which of you in this audience would have taken out and assignment of this national importance and said let's bury the evidence, let's not

jordan was a senator in the state legislature in texas. and i said, god, and i said to the president one night at dinner. i said, mr. president, i know you want to do something for this politician but this is really a complicated, difficult area. and i'll get -- i'll give her -- get her on another task force. and he just exploded and he said, let me tell you something. barbara jordan is either going to be the first black governor of the state of texas, or the first black senator from the state of texas. he's got more brains and common sense in her little pinky than all those great financial experts have in their whole brain. and that's how i met barbara jordan. he loved barbara jordan. >> moore pierce is our producer for this installment of our 41-week series. and special thanks to former first lady lady bird johnson for opening up her family home to us and for the national park service for their help in allowing us to show this to you this morning. let's take our next telephone call on lyndon johnson. brad bradenton, florida. good morning. >> caller: yes, hello. good morning. >> good morning. >> caller: it's an hon