mr. kahl, is it of any concern to you? have you picked up anything by the water fountain? >> i will not speak to afghanistan. >> i'm asking you to speak about whether you have a concern on behalf -- behalf of the taxpayers that we have a program in respect of where is that has not boland in terms of value. it is not a $25 million program and there are only two countries we're talking about does it concern you at all from a management point of view even in the theoretical realm? are you concerned that it has so little supervision in a way that would be comparable to how we constrain the program with usaid money? >> i would disagree with your characterization. there's a great deal of coordination. there's a great deal of reporting to congress on all the projects that are builts withurp. sigur has done regular assessment. i cannot speak to the magnitude or the specific projects in afghanistan because we don't work and afghanistan. i would encourage you to direct that to our colleagues that do. there was $100 million is thatsirp requested. we requested $20 million in 200012. 2

mr. kahl is it of any concern at all? i know it's not your portfolio, as you are pointed out, the pentagon, any concern? >> congressman, i'm just not going to speak to afghanistan. it's not in my portfolio -- >> i'm asking you to speak about whether you have a concern on behalf of the taxpayer of the united states that we have a program irrespective of where it is that has now balloons in terms of value. it's not a $25 million, and there are only two countryies were really talking about here. does it concern you at all from a management point of view either in the theoretical realm that you are comfortable in your file that it has so little supervision and restraints in a way that would be comparable to how we do constrain the programming of usaid money. >> i think i disagree with the characterization of accountability and restraint. there's a great deal of reporting to congress on all of the projects that are build with cerp, sigar an organization that we talked about earlier has done regular

i'm trying to get a magnitude, mr. kahl. is it your testimony that if i understood you correctly and your answer to my previous question, that you're satisfied or you believe that we can be satisfied that all of the right accounting and transparency is in place as just as it is for u.s.a. i.d. programming? >> what i would say is that served with an innovation in iraq, largely to enable our counterinsurgency operation and we learned better how to. so it would not surprise me if going back and looking at how the program was executed, there were more problems of how it's executed now. the program is more accountable that there's better coordination and that money is better used now than the case in 2004 for example. but are there no challenges? every program of this size has a challenge. >> no one suggests there is not a challenge. the question was whether you felt there were adequate mechanisms of accounting -- accountability in reporting and transparency as there are with u.s.a. i.d. programs, especially that the pentagon is