mr. scott kaplan who once visited the statue of liberty in 1992. let's have a listen. so, scott, thanks for coming on "monumental." >> thanks for having me, adam. >> so, put me in the driver's seat here. you get off the ferry. >> mm-hmm. >> you set foot inside the statue of liberty and what do you see? >> well, i mean, the first thing >> mmm. the steps, right, right. for those of you who aren't familiar, there are steps. >> and, and, and, more than just five or six of them, adam. there were hundreds, if not thousands of steps. >> absolutely incredible. and now, these steps, they were going up? is that correct? >> yes, yes, yes, up, up, yes, yes, up. >> fascinating. and could they also be used to go down? >> pardon? umm, down? >> yes, the statue steps? >> oh, well, it's just this once, a while ago, but if i, i believe so. i do think they were dual direction steps. >> seth: fascinating. and you know i don't know if you caught this, can we take another look at that website. that podcast was 4 hours and 33 minutes long. [ light laughter ] all right folks, let's cut to the