mr. karnilowicz could clarify that for you. >> okay. so, we don't have the lessee or we don't have the owner here with us today, we just have a representative? >> i believe -- is the owner here? just his representative. >> okay, thank you. >> okay. are we ready for the appellant? >>> good morning, commissioners. i represent the lessee of the hotel as was said a little while ago. this building was built back in 1906. i tried to find the original codes for it which i couldn't find from records management. i think it's [speaker not understood] permit. it didn't even say how many rooms there were in the hotel. i think you folks probably are aware most of these hotels were for traveling salesmen, they weren't meant to be lived in. so, they never really had all the facilities a usual hotel would have. [speaker not understood] travel for a day, a week, whatever, would move on. and, so, the current floor plan is the same as the floor plan from day one when it was built. i can't argue with the fact [speaker not understood] came through and this

mr. karnilowicz if the rooms, the guest rooms that have bathrooms are occupied by residential or tourist residents, whether that was answered. and if they're tourists, if they're shorter term, some of those rooms may become available. or are they residential? because even though a building may have residential and tourist rooms and be used primarily for residential, the fact of the matter is that what most of the operators do are they realize that they can have shorter -- may be used for residential use, but it can be shorter than a 7-day pier yd. i -- period. i think it would be transient. the hotel ordinance won't necessarily tell us, but we do have a list of what those rooms are. and it may be that some of those rooms may come up with -- earlier than 3 to six months to be able to do that * . or that's just a possible alternative. the property owner may have a vacant room that maybe a tourist room right now that they can use a portion of that to do a conversion with a building permit. since these are not all residential rooms, they could decrease the number of tourist rooms without any