mr. karr, you heard that interview. what are your thoughts about this legislation that we've been discussing? >> well, i mean, i agree with karen's fundamental point, and that is yes, the we do need to bring clarity to these issues. we live in a new era where cyber threats are real, cyberattack have happened, and i agree that we need to get a better understanding of that and bring clarity to the issue. the problem is that this bill as a was written in 2010 doesn't do that. it's both vague and broad which is the problem and the way that at free press we interpret this is creating this open-ended authority for a cybersecurity director to take control over what i am sure is a substantial portion of our patients internet infrastructure. and the language itself doesn't permit an actual internet kill switch, or it doesn't create an actual internet kill switch, but it permits an executive branch authority to mandate the private sector, internet service providers to respond to in order to turn things down, to shut things off. >

. >> host: mr. karr, could you give an example of what you mean by vague and broad, and how would you change it? >> guest: sure. i'd be happy to do that. the, i mean, if you look -- there are sections of the bill that concern us the most, and one of the sections, 248 and 249 where it doesn't give a clear definition, again, of what a proper threat is. it's a definition of what critical infrastructure is not well provided. in addition, it doesn't give clear recourse for the private sector internet service providers to appeal an order o. it seems to house far too much authority in the executive branch without the sort of proper checks and balances we would expect in any action that fundamentally threatens our right to free speech. and you have to remember here that the internet in the 21st century is the most important engine of free speech that we have, that the people have, the american people have. and it's not simply a question of grounding airplanes as was the case in 2001, but a question of shutting d