mr. kelley knows better. i have been listened to the people who don't know that don't know how to do that. so changing the laws doesn't change the culture. it doesn't fund the programs and the outreach. i designed lots of programs to do outreach to people who have been on the streets for a long time, but unless we're working together to get that money, no matter how we change commitment laws or no matter how we change tonight, we are still not there. how do we get the money to get the services and change the culture? >> i want to have you get sick and. a dj to speak, go ahead. >> if i misled i apologize but your with mental health america, correct? [inaudible] >> i want to find a way to get health -- help for people like your son and my daughter, and my brother who was in treatment, who did exactly what dr. welner talked about. he had that suicidal intention and he kept it and she's dead. >> -- and he is dead. my question to you though is do you believe that everyone will eventually seek treatment voluntarily

mr. kelley, she needs a saint's name. and daddy said, she's pretty kitty kelley. said there is no saint pretty. [laughter] my father said, all right, legally she will be known as katherine. and so the first thing i learned when i went to catholic school was about saint katherine. and i learned -- to this day i can tell you st. katherine, st. katherine, please come to my aid, pray that i may never die an old maid. a rich one, st. katherine, a poor one, st. katherine, but anyone better than no one, st. katherine. >> she was the patron saint of spinsters, old maids and -- >> host: is that a true prayer that you just told? >> guest: you don't think i made this up on the spot? [laughter] yes, it is a true prayer. and i learned it and had to learn it so often that i can still remember it. >> host: two questions for kit ty kelly -- kitty kelley, this was from robin heidi in palm springs. have you uncovered things about subjects that were too violative to reveal in print? >> guest: yes. i haven't, i haven't uncovered them in the terms of absolutely documenting them. but i

mr. president? good day, sir. may name is dennis kelley i am the president of the united educators of san francisco and i used to see the three of you on the school board meetings. but rntion you united educators of san francisco is a member of the san francisco labor council and we are also proud members of the chamber of commerce and i am here to tell you there is a loophole and the reason that i know that there is a loep hole is that our friends in the golden gate association used to put out the notices in our neighborhood restaurants that said, that they unfortunately were going to charge me three or four percent on my lunch because of this legislation, they had to do it. but since they have been turning 75 percent profit on that tax, they no longer put out that notice. and so i assume that they figured out what the loophole is all about. and this is not about loop holes, this is about people's lives, we have teachers who do not apply for family coverage because they cannot afford it. that means that their children are not being covere

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