mr. kemp want to make sure and visit her testimony. a thought i heard you say that the election should he governed strictly by state and localities and it was not really the business of the federal government. >> well as a constitutional duty of the states to run elections. >> isn't also also however our concern of the government that federal elections have some uniformity to them for example voting rights? >> certainly understanding your point but i think the whole argument is critical infrastructure just like mr. mr. ozment said protecting vendors information goes against the open process that we have now at the state level where when we test their voting equipment is advertised in the local legal newspaper. the local newspaper editor can watch that process. i think the idea of federalizing elections to where we have a one-size-fits-all voter registration system or mandating that states use of certain voting system or one type of voting system creates all kinds of problems and quite honestly

but over the last mr. kemp was elected the 24th secretary of state in georgia in 2010. he has done an outstanding job in cutting wasteful spending and implementing zero-based budgeting. he serves as cochair of the national association of secretaries and state elections committee. he is elections committee. he is a member of the dhs election infrastructure cyber security working group. he is a native of atkins georgia, go dogs. he and his lovely wife have three beautiful daughters and we are glad to have him here and have him representing us. >> welcome to all and pursuant to committee rules all witnesses it will sworn in before you testify. so please raise and your right hands. >> do solemnly swear or affirm the testimony about to give it will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> thank you, please be seated. let the record reflect that the witnesses answered in the affirmative. in order to allow time please allow your testimony for five minutes and your entire written statement will be made part of the record. and now i would like to recognize doctor

mr. kemp want to make sure and visit her testimony. a thought i heard you say that the election should he governed strictly by state and localities and it was not really the business of the federal government. >> well as a constitutional duty of the states to run elections. >> isn't also also however our concern of the government that federal elections have some uniformity to them for example voting rights? >> certainly understanding your point but i think the whole argument is critical infrastructure just like mr. mr. ozment said protecting vendors information goes against the open process that we have now at the state level where when we test their voting equipment is advertised in the local legal newspaper. the local newspaper editor can watch that process. i think the idea of federalizing elections to where we have a one-size-fits-all voter registration system or mandating that states use of certain voting system or one type of voting system creates all kinds of problems and quite honestly

mr. kemp i thought i heard you say elections are governed strictly by state localities and it was not really the business of the federal government. am i getting this correctly? >> gets the constitutional duty of the states to run elections. >> is not also a concern of the federal government in a federal election have some uniformity to them? for example the voting rights act.ertainly und >> certainly understand your point but i think the whole argument is critical infrastructure just like mr. ozment just said protecting vendor's information really goes against the open process that be have now at the state level where when we test our voting equipment is advertised in the local ordinance. the local newspaper editor or reporter can come and watch that process at. the local election boards do it in any citizen and i think the idea of federalizing our elections to where we have a a one-size-fits-all registration system or mandating the states to use a certain voting system or one type of voting

but over the last mr. kemp was elected the 24th secretary of state in georgia in 2010. he has done an outstanding job in cutting wasteful spending and implementing zero-based budgeting. he serves as cochair of the national association of secretaries and state elections committee. he is elections committee. he is a member of the dhs election infrastructure cyber security working group. he is a native of atkins georgia, go dogs. he and his lovely wife have three beautiful daughters and we are glad to have him here and have him representing us. >> welcome to all and pursuant to committee rules all witnesses it will sworn in before you testify. so please raise and your right hands. >> do solemnly swear or affirm the testimony about to give it will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> thank you, please be seated. let the record reflect that the witnesses answered in the affirmative. in order to allow time please allow your testimony for five minutes and your entire written statement will be made part of the record. and now i would like to recognize doctor

>> we can do that. >> thank you. >> mr. kemp, what evidence did you submit to the eac demonstrating that the modification you requested was necessary for the administration of elections in georgia? >> well, we were simply trying to, as i said earlier, match the state form with the federal form. >> will you provide the committee all documents relating to that issue also? >> we certainly can look into that. >> that's not what i asked you. i said would you provide us with the documents. >> i wouldn't be able to answer >> i like you to provide to the committee any and all documents you and your office have relating to any analysis you did regarding the impact on eligible voters that your request would have. did you look into that? keep in mind in north carolina what they did is a systemically figured out when black people vote. they figured out how they vote, and then with precision made sure that in everything in their power to stop them from voting. i want to make sure we have documentation. i'm sure whatever you did is proper, bu

mr. norden? >> i'm confident that that not be the case. >> dr. appell [ inaudible ]. >> secretary kemp. >> no. >> mr. hicks. >> no. >> dr. ozment. >> no. >> excellent. >> dr. appell -- mr. appell, excuse me, when you did your research in hacking the equipment, that was done in a controlled environment, is that correct? [ inaudible ]. >> was it one machine or were you able to access multiple machines? [ inaudible ]. >> were this he connected or did you have to access them each individually. >> these machines [ inaudible ]. >> so none of the machines connect to each other, is that correct? >> the kind of machine that i hacked that we use in new jersey do not connect to any network. >> and they do not connect to any network so that means they are not facing the internet as well? >> that's right. and particularly the kinds of >> that's right. the kinds of machines we use in new jersey and the same machines are used in louisiana. i don't know of any practical way to hack them through any kind of network. the only way i know they can be hacked is by someone with physical access to them. >> s

. >> mr. kemp is someone you have worked with that in mind, i spent a few years with him in 1994 as the republicans are driving for the first majority in 40 years. he felt alienated from the party. he he said to me one day in his trip, we can't be just the party of little government and big prisons. you might want to say little government a big loss now. you feel he's right? >> i'm one of the people whose pushing for criminal justice reform. i think both parties, democrats and republicans, bill clinton signed these into law, we sort of overcompensated and went to far. now that we have learned that there better methods of incarceration and better methods of getting people on the right path that we want to institutionalize redemption, those are things many of us on a bipartisan basis are working on. >> why did it derail? >> were still on track. in the house we have six bills and were still working on it. >> the polls have shown this year in the republican primaries that in virtually every state excep

mr. smith: president carter. pres. carter: governor reagan's proposal, the reagan-kemp-roth proposal, is one of the most highly inflationary ideas that ever has been presented to the american public. he would actually have to cut government spending by at least $130 billion in order to balance the budget under this ridiculous proposal. i notice that his task force that is working for his future plans had some of their ideas revealed in the wall street journal this week. one of those ideas was to repeal the minimum wage, and several times this year, governor reagan has said that the major cause of unemployment is the minimum wage. this is a heartless kind of approach to the working families of our country, which is typical of many republican leaders of the past, but, i think, has been accentuated under governor reagan. in california -- i'm surprised governor reagan brought this up -- he had the three largest tax increases in the history of that state under his administration. he more than doubled state spending while he was governor -- 122% increase -- and had between a 20% and 30% increase in the number of employees in cal

mr. thornberry: this amendment deals with a local, unique issue involving privately owned cabins on privately owned land near lake kemp in texas. when reconstructing the dam in the late 1960's, the city of wichita falls entered into an agreement with the corps of engineers that the city would require all these privately owned cabin owners below a certain elevation to be removed by january 1, 2000, because there was concern it could potentially flood. 50 years later, there's never been a flood and never will be a flood because the lake has been full several times. the 2007 wrda bill extended -- prevented the corps from requiring the city to evict the land owners until at least 2020. and at the same time, the u.s. and the corps were released from any liability. this amendment would simply extend that time period for an additional five years. the amendment also preserves the full property rights for the landowners. you've got some of these cabin owners who have been there for years and the city does not have the desire or the funds to force them off the land. so the bottom line, mr. chairman, is this is a local situation

mr. romine, anddy earlier, we can go to homeland security now. we can get those tests by f.b.i. we have a committee, matter of fact secretary of state ron kemp has been very active in this whole process with several of us, it is one of the committee members that we have appointed from nist to serve on the homeland security committee. and to do best practices and the like. most states are cooperating with their local f.b.i. agents when needed. i don't mean again to be flippant, but do we really want to create a new t.s.a. for elections in this country or new postal service? i just don't think we need that. the constitution says very vividly it's up to the states for the time, place, and manner which we conduct elections. it is a constitutional issue. and i understand that from the rhetoric that's not the intent. but to go and put the national elections on par with the banking system and electrical grid in my position is way overreach, unnecessary. and we can accomplish the same goals, it's not that we don't want their support and assistance with when we need it, but we can accomplish that in a far less intrusive way if we just keep things on