mr. chairman. i want to thank all the witnesses for taking your time to be here. it's important that we figure all of this out. ms. kenny, i want to particularly thank you for your work with veterans, being one myself, i appreciate that very, very much. i want to just state for the record what i said the last time we had a hearing on this. i believe that it's outrageous, inappropriate, it's wrong, and we must do everything we can do to fix it to make sure it never happens again. ms. belsom, i probably went get it correct, but you said something along the lines of this needs to be investigated. those responsible need to be held accountable for any targeting of conservative groups. i agree, but i believe any targeting of any group, anybody that does that, needs to be held accountable. >> you're absolutely right. >> it's important that we hear about these abuses; however, we know it's bad, it's wrong, and we all know it must never happen again. we know we need to fix it. mr. chairman, it's time we stipulate this is wrong, that it's abusive, and that it needs to be -- it never should have happened, and we need to know what