mr. kerzman, as a sociologist, you are pointing to politics. him away because he doesn't reflect your politics? >> they are trying to distance themselves from him in that way as most muslims distance themselves from extremism. perhaps they can learn something from the survey conducted with colleagues. we surveyed law enforcement agencies across the country and found that they report that the number one threat of violent extremism in their jurisdictionsisdictions is from white ring extremists not from islamic extremism. >> we hear that all the time. people don't care. they are focused on islam and the war on terror. peter, we hear this extremist right organization. people communicate that now here as some kind of fight on the gop, a slight. what are they not getting? >> professor kurzman is right. if you look at the data since 9/11 people have been killed by right wing racist types. we have seen 26 americans killed by jihadi terrorists. people have a hard time processing that. 9/11 was part of american history. that is the frame through which te