mr. sigal, when kim jong-il gets his debrief on what the americans are saying about him today and they report well, you know, this guy named sigal went before the foreign relations committee and said all they have to do get some leverage on them and make them dependent, wouldn't they sort of have gamed that out isn't that's why they isolated and went independent and they went the opposite way when they were offered it a little while back? >> that may be. he's promised his people not just a strong country but a prosperous one by 2012. we can't do that on his own. the only way he can do that is with the political accommodation with us, south korea and japan that allows him to reallocate internal resources, get aid and investment from the outside. if he wants to give up on prosperity, i think that's troubled. and i think there is no sign he has changed that view. the rhetoric remains the same. so at some point i think he will come and want to deal with us. i also think he needs us for his security. he did not want to be dependent on china. his father didn't want to be dependent on china. that's