mr. kinsey had been killed? >> yes. he did not understand that mr. kinsey had not been killed until mr. kinsey saw him in the hospital this week. amy: i want to turn to mr. kinsey, to social worker charles kinsey speaking with local tv , station wvsn from his hospital bed after the shooting. >> i am going to the ground, just like this, my hands are up. just like this. i'm telling them, sir, there is no need for firearms. i am unarmed. he is autistic. he had a toy truck in his hand. when he shot me, it was so surprising. it was like a mosquito bite. when he hit me i am like, i say, i just got shot. i'm saying, sir, why did you shoot me? he said, i don't know. i am face down in the ground with cuffs on. i say about 20 minutes until a rescue squad gets there. i am bleeding. amy: that is charles kinsey from his hospital bed. this is so astounding. hilton napoleon, your his attorney. he asked the police officer, why did you shoot me? i don't know. and the police union came out the next day and said that it was a mistake, that the officer did not mean to shoot charles kinsey. they meant to sho

mr. hilton napoleon. >> attorney: he really feels like he did everything that he could possibly do to cooperate. >> larry: well, i don't know if that argument is very persuasive. did charles kinseyot black? i'm pretty sure that might have helped. i'm so sick of this (bleep). we'll be right back. (cheers and applause) if i hired you, what is your plan? i see a few things changing. less mergers and acquisitions, more charitable donations. retiring on top. linda?! letting boredom get the best of me. and then, returning triumphantly. smells like we're done here. [old spice anthem] ♪ ♪ (grunts) we got this! oooowww! do summer like a winter olympian. have a reese's. at our house, we're always down for more... case in point: our handcrafted skydiving chamber. be hungry for more. just never be hungry. with premium pepperoni and 100% real cheese... ♪ ding! hot pockets! >> larry: welcome back. i'm here with my panel. first up, "the nightly show" contributor jordan carlos. "the nightly show" contributor grace parra. and the paperback version of his novel "two years eight months and twenty-eight nights" is out now, author salman rushdie. (cheers and applause) and for everyone at home, join