mr. kipnis had two opportunities, we had two hearings, mr. shamis, his statement, i mean while he says he's not sure, he can't remember 2009, he had two opportunity tos bring mr. shamis to a hearing, he could have roughening -- broukt him to the 2010 or 2011 hearing to discuss his driving record. >> please, it's not your turn. >> and as far as when we're looking at -- when we look at the weigh bills, we have to look at every single thing, and mr. leon's job is to determine all the discrepancies and the issues involved with all of them. by pointing out to you the handwriting, we weren't pointing out mr. kipnis' key strokes or anything of that sort, we were just looking at, there is a naked eye difference between his cursive and his print and it calls into question some issues, but beyond that, mr. kipnis had two separate hearings represented both times to present all the information. we reviewed all the information, the sfmta objected to the introduction of the new evidence of 07, 08, and 09, and the hearing officer allowed that in and we stil