mr. kissinger. >> that was a joke, right? >> i see sheer panic. thank you for being here. you stated earlier to mr. harper you give the president regular updates on the marketplace. the president stated he knew nothing about the status and functionality of the marketplace. how often and what were the subjects of those updates? >> well, i think there were a series of regular meetings with the president, with some of our federal partners, with offices of the white house from the omb to others on a monthly basis, giving reports on policy and where we were going. none of those, i would say, involve detailed operational discussions. that wasn't the level. it was, are we coming together, do we have companies, do we have plans. >> sure. i understand that. obviously, when it comes to the president of the united states, certain level of details you have to see at the 10, 20,000-foot overview. in terms of the functionality, he was legitimately caught off guard? >> well, i assured him that we were ready to go. everyone knew with a big plan that there were likely to be some big problem