when mr. klipp hadn't requested a copy, at that point he said well, look, any permit is appealable within 15 days, and your director's order isn't a permit, so i'm going to appeal that. so in webcor's defense, they're now through the 15-daewoo, they've got an e-mail that says you have gone through this. that's where i'll leave defending them. if you get a note from the director of board of appeals that says this has been suspended, then obviously you've got to suspend work. and i'm not here to cover any tracks from that point forward. we did issue an administrative fine. the order says minimum in lieu fee of $2,000 or ten times the value of the tree. >> commissioner honda: which is appealable, sorry to interrupt. >> there may be another opportunity for dialogue about this in a public format. separately from that, i do think we've made some progress. my recommendation is we be allowed to work with the applicant here to pin down what the largest possible size trees are. one is because we have a confli

mr. klipp you have assessmen --. >> i want to make sure that the board received the briefing from both myself and the permit holder and has the board received urban forcery council's resolution? >> yes. thank you. >> i'm josh klipp. i like to do briefly is go over quick time line in this matter. first starting in 2015, when the project saw conditional use permits and projected to complete tree preservation. the following two years the trees were evaluated for part of the b.r.t. in april, 2018, project applied now for removal without providing a need for that when urban forestry pushed back, they gave some general construction for example staging access and safety. may 11, 2018 urban forestry denied the application for multitude of reasons. noted that the applicant had 30-day appeal period. july 23rd, the project begins demolition without tree protection required by city rules. in the middle of august, the project inquired about tree removal. they were put on the next calendar for removal. final