so mr. klipp mentioned that the -- the species of the trees life span are 30 years and will grow no taller than 20 feet. is that an accurate description? >> of the tree -- which trees? i'm sorry. >> vice president honda: well, i think that is more in general to the trees being replaced. he had mentioned that the replacement trees are going to have a life span of no more than 30 years and are going to grow no higher than 20 feet. is that specific to species or in general? >> i'm not sure where that comment came from, to be honest. i don't have our landscape architect on this call. perhaps mark hill knows a little bit about the tree species. >> vice president honda: actually, maybe chris buck might have some insight. sorry to throw you on the campfire there, chris. >> clerk: chris? mr. buck? >> vice president honda: yeah, he's getting his mic working. >> clerk: okay. >> thank you. chris buck, department of urban forestry. you know, i don't have it in front of me. i'd have to get into my remote acces

we will now hear from mr. klipp. mr. klipp? >> yeah, i also heard about the hayes valley cementing, and it was really disheartening because part of what we did in the 24 street matter, and we had this budget shortfall coming up, and we tried to find ways that we can work with the city. but i also do want to acknowledge that madeleine of the bureau of urban forestry was quick to respond to that, and i appreciate that. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other general public comment, please raise your hand. i don't see anyone else raising their hand. okay. i do see one person raising their hand. one moment. okay. mr. karnazes? >> hi. can you call hear me? >> clerk: yes, welcome. >> thank you. my name is zach karnazes, and i'm a disabled advocate, and i want to thank everyone speaking up about another incident with d.p.w., about their misuse of public funds and violating public trust in their care of the urban forest and natural habitat. this happens frequently. they've been cutting down trees since their appeals process.

. >> thank you mr. klipp. please raise your hand if there's public comment. i don't see any further public comment. anymore questions? i believe this concludes the item. unless you wanted to take some type of action. >> i would like to say thank you to mr. tiger and we'll make sure that the d.p.w. and buff gets their act together and i very much support the statement made by president lazarus. this is not brain surgery. it's a checklist. every business, whether it's is taking care of trees, running stores, anything, everything. everybody has their checklist. and it's about organization, it's about management, and it's about priorities and my feeling is that d.p.w. has not prioritized trees and has not gotten organize i had to prioritize trees and as a result he is calling that to our attention and i welcome mr. clip coming back as many times as possible until dpw chose to prioritize trees and make this checklist and get organized in the making sure that the 100 trees empty in the city of san francisco and they're filled and that unfort accidents that have occ

so mr. klipp mentioned that the -- the species of the trees life span are 30 years and will grow no taller than 20 feet. is that an accurate description? >> of the tree -- which trees? i'm sorry. >> vice president honda: well, i think that is more in general to the trees being replaced. he had mentioned that the replacement trees are going to have a life span of no more than 30 years and are going to grow no higher than 20 feet. is that specific to species or in general? >> i'm not sure where that comment came from, to be honest. i don't have our landscape architect on this call. perhaps mark hill knows a little bit about the tree species. >> vice president honda: actually, maybe chris buck might have some insight. sorry to throw you on the campfire there, chris. >> clerk: chris? mr. buck? >> vice president honda: yeah, he's getting his mic working. >> clerk: okay. >> thank you. chris buck, department of urban forestry. you know, i don't have it in front of me. i'd have to get into my remote acces

we will now hear from mr. klipp. mr. klipp? >> yeah, i also heard about the hayes valley cementing, and it was really disheartening because part of what we did in the 24 street matter, and we had this budget shortfall coming up, and we tried to find ways that we can work with the city. but i also do want to acknowledge that madeleine of the bureau of urban forestry was quick to respond to that, and i appreciate that. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other general public comment, please raise your hand. i don't see anyone else raising their hand. okay. i do see one person raising their hand. one moment. okay. mr. karnazes? >> hi. can you call hear me? >> clerk: yes, welcome. >> thank you. my name is zach karnazes, and i'm a disabled advocate, and i want to thank everyone speaking up about another incident with d.p.w., about their misuse of public funds and violating public trust in their care of the urban forest and natural habitat. this happens frequently. they've been cutting down trees since their appeals process.

we will now hear from mr. klipp. mr. klipp? >> yeah, i also heard about the hayes valley cementing, and it was really disheartening because part of what we did in the 24 street matter, and we had this budget shortfall coming up, and we tried to find ways that we can work with the city. but i also do want to acknowledge that madeleine of the bureau of urban forestry was quick to respond to that, and i appreciate that. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other general public comment, please raise your hand. i don't see anyone else raising their hand. okay. i do see one person raising their hand. one moment. okay. mr. karnazes? >> hi. can you call hear me? >> clerk: yes, welcome. >> thank you. my name is zach karnazes, and i'm a disabled advocate, and i want to thank everyone speaking up about another incident with d.p.w., about their misuse of public funds and violating public trust in their care of the urban forest and natural habitat. this happens frequently. they've been cutting down trees since their appeals process.

we will now hear from mr. klipp, general public comment. >> i'm going to go without the video. i'm actually sitting in a camper van. >> clerk: okay. you can make it entertaining for us. >> i just want to reflect casey's comment with the penalty here. essentially, this is the equivalent of an in lieu fee, which is what you assess when a tree cannot be believed. the code goes into detail about what happens when a tree is illegally removed, and it's not an in lieu fee. there are administrative penalties, even criminal penalties for that. i think you need to layout what was the fine for doing work without a permit. i'm not sure why we're talking about, you know, $2,000 in lieu fees for a contractor that illegally removed two trees. i understand that there was a discussion at the last hearing regarding ultimately who ends up paying for the work, and it absolutely should be the contractor who performs the work without the permit. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other comment public on this item? if so, press star-nine if you called in. star-nine if you want to provide pu

mr. -- mr. klipp, for whom i have tremendous respect, and i will never probably accuse of jabbering or whatever he self- self self- -- he accuses others of accusing him of. he saw uses of trees that are important, and design has to work around those trees. i loved seeing those photos. but, mr. buck, what the hell happens here when -- who's -- who makes the design decisions or who acts as the protector of the trees? here is an important tree. where does the design bulldoze the tree? who in the city is responsible for upholding and protecting those trees when a developer comes with the easy way out? and again, i'm a proponent of this development, but instead of coming up with something that is creative, they defer to the easy way of let's just bulldoze the tree. who is the designer of the tree? >> great question, commissioner. we would love to get our hooks into the conversation when this is -- i don't know how much years ago it was -- when the conversation for terre haute was approved. that is the time

. >> thank you mr. klipp. please raise your hand if there's public comment. i don't see any further public comment. anymore questions? i believe this concludes the item. unless you wanted to take some type of action. >> i would like to say thank you to mr. tiger and we'll make sure that the d.p.w. and buff gets their act together and i very much support the statement made by president lazarus. this is not brain surgery. it's a checklist. every business, whether it's is taking care of trees, running stores, anything, everything. everybody has their checklist. and it's about organization, it's about management, and it's about priorities and my feeling is that d.p.w. has not prioritized trees and has not gotten organize i had to prioritize trees and as a result he is calling that to our attention and i welcome mr. clip coming back as many times as possible until dpw chose to prioritize trees and make this checklist and get organized in the making sure that the 100 trees empty in the city of san francisco and they're filled and that unfort accidents that have occ