mr. klosson?'m stemmed to say, yes, but i think it actually requires to look at the capacities brought to the table, particularly in the social sector linking up communities with governments. but i don't think you see a lot of us building roads and doing power plants and that type of thing which is also important for economic growth. so i don't think we ought to take on those kinds of projects. i think there's still room for others -- >> should the military do that? >> i think who should do it is the one who can do it best. >> and who is that? >> >> you tell me. [laughter] >> you tell me. >> i don't know. i mean, i haven't really studied -- i imagine, i would think there are a lot of companies out there that are adept at building roads and building power plants. >> mr. mcgarry? >> could the gentleman just yield? is. >> sure. >> i think that what we're trying to get at is if military does it instead of the contractors, does that then pollute, i'll use the word, development and then does that make y

mr. klosson, mr. bowers. >> a a chat with a colleague in my understanding is we have an understanding in afghanistan. we have had national employees held in things like that, but now lost in the expense. >> mr. bowers. >> reapply staff in the past. most of our casualties lately have been natural cassis due to avalanche in airplane crashes. >> i'm talking about violence, being killed. >> no, our rate of ability to stay safe is remaining lehigh right now. >> this question would be relevant to you, ms. cole. >> we have staff on the ground in afghanistan and we have not taken any casualties. >> thank you very much. commissioner tiefer. >> thank you, chairman transporter. preparing for this hearing is a learning experience for me. with trepidation i mentioned in my status at the university of baltimore law school there such a thing is great for the legal world and i don't know enough to really teach. i'll know a little more after today. i want to express my respect for chairman mike thibault who could not

mr. klosson and mr. bowers real quick. >> one example would be infant mortality rate is really hot in afghanistan so the interventions to do with that would be training midwives. so save the children is part of a grant to train midwives which means having younger girls go to another town to be trained for 18 months. it was very, very, very hard to get that first group of gold and 10 -- first group of girls to go. the good news is the second time around you that fathers, brothers, parades, all kinds of things going on to sort of pick my daughter, take my wife to do. so there are ways this can take place. >> great story. mr. bowers and. >> i think although i'm told failure could be set up on capitol hill, there is failure with good intentions. there's also success with really bad development. and often went to check it what's on this, what's the committee spent that year, what's the reward. it is failure in that, we need to run from in and understand what to avoid any future. then there's say no to money t

mr. klosson. gary? >> thank you, chairman, and members of the commission for holding the hearing. crs appropriates the opportunity to appear and share field-based operation on principal and sustainability. based on the principal and crs's experience, we recommend that the u.s. government treatment development in afghanistan a process. consider the comparative advances of all of the development when designing, awarding, and assisting in afghanistan. catholic relief is the official development agency in the catholic and united states. we work in over 100 countries around the world, providing humanitarian and development. crss country representative in afghanistan from 2008 to 2011, i had the privilege to lead the team of 450 afghans and international working in gore, kabul, and punisher. they are working with local communities and government and civil society to implement programming in the sectors offing a -- sectors ag, community response. the idea that development shrub sustainable to be meaningful is not new or disputed. what we observe on the ground in afghanistan suggesting th