mr. kobach? anything short of removal is amnesty to you? >> i would argue that declining to remove unlawfully present alien is actually amnesty plus. because you're giving -- if you will, if you liken it to theft. you are giving the person what he taken, namely presence in the united states taken it lawfully. you're declining to punish. you're allowing the person to -- you could define amnesty as not prosecuting. but this is more than just not prosecuting. it's not prosecuting and allow the person to keep what he has unlawfully taken. >> some said the status quo that represents de facto amnesty. would you agree with that? >> the status quo to the degree that this administration and, frankly, others have deliberately chosen not to enforce the law. that is a kind of de facto amnesty, yes. the only way to resolve it is not necessarily through statute but executive action. >> mr. kobach? >> i would argue that the -- we have more than just a de facto amnesty, people use the term de facto to describe t

mr. kobach, secretary kobach by asking what is your position on people who are born here who have parents here illegally. should they be u.s. citizens? >> well, under current federal law and under current practice with long practice of the executive branch had for many administrations they are treated adds u.s. citizens. >> i take it you would oppose the policy. >> there have ban number of bill intros deuced in congress, some i think have some merit that would say, for example, i'm remembering the deal that would say if a person is born in at least one of his parents is a green card holder or a u.s. citizens, then that would be truer to the intent of the with the writers of the xivth amendment. >> don't you dwsh in your opposition to dreamers having eventually expedited path to citizenship have to oppose anybody who is born here who have parents who are here ill leally being denied citizenship and having to go to the back -- they are no different in in term of their intent, their basic circumstances than someone who is brought here by their parents without any choice on their part. >> i d