mr. kopp or mr. waggoner? >> i am trying to focus commission attention on what we think are the real issues, here. the real issues are not whether or not there is going to be in difficulty presented by having a sheriff on domestic violence probation. that does not relate to the inquiry. it was official misconduct. again, for many of the same reasons that we argued against the admission of mr. henderson's declaration, we do not think that this sheds any light on the issues you have to decide. for that reason, other than the of -- the portions we agree are relevant, para wraps 19 through 25, -- 22, and the specified evidence, we do not think this should come into evidence. >> is it your position that the fact that the sheriff would be on probation during the time he is in office is irrelevant to the question of whether or not the mayor acted properly in saying he could not carry out the duties of sheriff? >> i would have to answer by saying that i take issue with one of the premises of the question. the inquiry i

mr. kopp or mr. waggoner to respont. -- respond. >> i admire creative lawyering as much as anybody. i am almost at a loss. the original return charges gave no evidence about this. there is a real danger, without being flippant, of permiting this to morph as we go along. we could end up with a situation whereby the time we are all done, we get a new amendment, with new issues to deal with. i think these paragraphs in this exhibit are irrelevant. they are of such little probative value that it is a waste of time to even be talking about it. that is the reason for our objection. i am happy to answer any questions. chairperson hur: setting aside the question between paragraph 26 and the london declaration, what about the argument that her graf 26 -- that paragraph 26 has to do with alleged failure to transfer firearms appropriately? why isn't the testimony relevant? >> i do not think that is relevant to any of the charges, here. i am not sure that i can elaborate any further on that. chairperson hur: any other questions for mr. kopp? here is my view on this. i do not think that the alle