mr. koskinen never talked to them? >> that is correct. >> and yet mr. koskinen sat where you sat and gave false information to this committee, correct? when he said i can give you assurances that we're going to give you all of the e-mails? >> he may have told you that under oath and made assurances to you -- >> and that was a false statement, based on your investigation, mr. camus. >> our investigation showed he depended heavily on his senior managers. >> the same people who didn't talk to the 30 key people. and all i'm saying is what mr. koskinen told this committee and the american people, was it a true statement that he made under oath sitting in that chair right there. >> i don't know what he did. >> no we told you what he did. he said i can assure you i'm going to get you all of the information. >> and i believe he went back to his senior staff and told them to do so. >> and i'm not asking why he said it but i'm asking was what he said truthful? >> i -- i know he didn't talk to the people who destroyed the tapes. i do understand that he told the sen

mr. koskinen as the irs commissioner. it is imperative that this committee pursue all costtutional remedies. that may include contempt and it may even include impeachment of mr. koskinen. >> reporter: president obama refuses to fire him chaffetz is saying congress will take matters into their own hands that would include potential contempt proceedings or even impeachment. martha. martha: there is a lot of back and forth difficult to discern. servers that existed and different exist and koskinen proclaimed were destroyed and they weren't. what has been the is response to this kristin? >> reporter: irs says it has been cooperative and truthful throughout all the investigations in the a same yesterday the irs says quote, agency produced more than one million pages of documents in support of the investigations, provided 52 current and former employees for interviews and participated in more than 30 congressional hearings on these issues. this has been going on for a very long time now. the house oversight committee just relea

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mr. koskinen in contempt as well. a judicial branch, judge threatening the same thing as the house of representatives. we're having the same experience. martha: these missing emails may go to some evidence that would show that lois lerner had knowledge, more knowledge than she has already confessed to about a program that was trying to squash political involvement by any tea party entities who might want to get tax-exempt status from the irs. those people waited and waited and waited for that. some were threatened in other ways. now they said the emails were gone. server was gone. now they don't have emails. what is the excuse for them not turning over at this point? >> what mr. koskinen told us as the irs commissioner was false. remember, martha, it was very simple. we have duly issued subpoena for the lois lerner emails internally at the irss they had a preservation order. even those two things were in place the irs destroyed documents. you can't do that imagine if the irs had summoned you to produce documents and y

mr. koskinen or they will impeach him. the head of the oversight committee said the irs commissioner has obstructed the investigation. this is all continuing to play out and we will follow it for you. get to brokers at merrill lynch. the temperature today is up 100 degrees in new york city. at merrill lynch it is 150 degrees. they are up in arms and furious and hard-headed following a controversial new work rules that the firm. fox business your correspondent charlie gasparino breaking it here. >> merrill lynch is the second-largest brokerage firm, basically the firm that created the modern brokerage business meaning people that bring stocks to the small investor. an investor and brokers are threading to leave because of this, they are being forced to hand over an investment banking league to merrill lynch don't buy banc of america, investment bankers. if you don't do that you get docked pay, as they shave it percentage. >> with the mean an investment lead? >> of roker, one of your clients runs a small business, wants to d

mr. koskinen in charge of the irs at the time? >> yes, sir. >> i want to ask you about another name. have you ever heard of the name kate duval? >> yes, sir. >> who is kate duval. because i think i've heard that name before too. >> she was the chief counsel representative, the irs counselor concerning the production issues to congress. she was the lawyer in charge of making sure that counsel made production to congress. >> so she's in charge of making sure that e-mails and other matters get produced? >> yes, sir. >> is she still with the irs? >> she is not. i don't recall the date that she left but she is no longer -- >> do you know where she is now. >> i can get that information for you. >> i know where she is now. she's at the state. in charge of their e-mail productions. wow! i yield back. >> thank the gentleman. will now recognize the gentleman from kentucky mr. massey for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. i want to ask about the date that lois lerner's hard drive failed. you gave us more specificity and i appreciate that. when did it fail. >> on a saturday between 5:00 an

. >> following the hearing "on the record" griff jenkins spoke to commissioner koskinen. mr.w are you? could you just take a moment? >> sure. >> the purpose of today's hearing seemed to be a little bit of an effort to get you to just admit that the targeting of conservatives happened, so, straight answer for the public and american people is that your view that the targeting of conservatives or the deliberate selecting of conservatives did not happen? >> as i said to the committee, there have been now 8 investigations going on, which are investigating just that issue. we hope the finance committee has said they are going to get their report out a bipartisan report out in the next two or three weeks. the whole purpose of those investigations is to answer that question. so, i have taken the position it was a mistake for that process to have taken placup motivation behind it and the issues behind it are what the investigation are it's not appropriate for us to anticipate or to try to get ahead of those investigations. >> you are uncomfortable with the phrase of targeting being u