kathie: thank you, and mr. kotz. >> when i was asked to be on this panel what did we learn from watergate and you've got five minutes to talk about it, before i left home yesterday i asked a neighbor, can you help me with this, what did we learn from watergate? and she told me, don't break into anyone's office. and if you do, don't get caught. [laughter] that's what she learned. i'm going to talk for a few minutes about the news media. the press, what have we learned and not learned? i'll tell you up front, the answer is not much. and i want to give you a contrast between that time and the -- in the press and today. in 1967, before any of you were born, i was playing handball one day in the gym in washington, d.c. with a young legislative assistant to a congressman. the legislative assistant was ed mezvinsky in his mid 20's. the congressman was neil smith. he is a very persuasive guys. he said you've got to get those records. the agriculture department has records showing that there are dirty meatpacking plants all

kathie: well, mr. kotz, you saw the kavanaugh hearing. do you think a bipartisan impeachment hearing -- bipartisan hearings in congress is even possible? >> given the way the media covered it. d i imagined three cable networks, you listen to those three cable networks you listened on three different stories. none of them focused straight on the facts. the news media, the press is really challenged today to try to get back to reporting stories and to stop political editorializing. yarosky you r. talked about the impeachment process and what happened with the republican party and eventually, they came back as a different republican party but very powerful. but, just the question about a peaceful transition, is that a danger today you think? >> i don't think. so not because i'm being lib about it. because even in the cacophony of alternative realities because that's what you're all subjected to alternative realities. what nick is describing is hearing not a kind of a baseline of observable facts, but of spin that goes in all directions, and