mr. kovacs economists are trained to come mr. goldston to it be a burden on the economy? >> they contribute regulations, certainly. >> okay, all right. were you surprised that a 30 preliminary draft plans released by the white house on may 26, there were none from the regulatory agency other than this committee's jurisdiction, such as a federal communications commission and the federal trade commission in the clear regulatory products safety commission and regulatory commission? >> now, i was not surprised. >> i was surprised there was not at least one or two. the next mr. gholston. >> i am not sure i had an opinion on that. there is the constitutional issue of uppity they can be required to do it. that's the reason they couldn't obviously choose to submit plans. >> do you think there is anything more that the train i could do to encourage them to voluntarily submit to retrospective analyses of existing rules and set out the president's executive order? start with you, mr. kovacs. >> the president suggested and decided not to do it. >> is insanely testimony, the president

mr. kovacs? i understand your testimony to believe there are two distinct categories of regulation, andy f the primary oversight by congress and the administration should be those regulations that are economically significant.s in your view, what would be thee most effective way to address this? >> there are several ways. one is that they have a higher standard of review within the courts. a high your review within the courts. for example when a court refused a regulation, they treat their review the same as if it is a greenhouse gases or training for an employee, and what we expect to occur because when the courts give deference to the agencies they kept the balance in favor of the agencies and against congress and the way to address the would be to require the agency on those major rules to go through a high your standard of review which would be a formal on the record hearing or something which is a hybrid hearing and then to have the court reviewed under the substantial evidence test. >> my t

and advice from the pre-eminent lawyer that deals with illegal immigration chris kovac, and i'm proud of that. >> well, mr. mayor, back to the original question, what problem with this bill helps to solve and i want to speak specifically to your community, but you have 24,000 people population in your town, and of that number, how many do you believe and i know it is hard to get numbers, but how many do you estimate are in your town illegally? >> 5,000. >> and 5,000 to 6,000, and so what problem is being created in your community that you believe that the bill will correct? >> it is a job creator, t.j. we have a diverse wide array of industry here, but we have a lot of poultry industry here as well. >> yes, sir. >> and you know, over the years what this has done is when they found the illegal immigrant workforce, cheap workforce, you know, the industry survived way before that, okay. and but what it enabled the industry to do is to expand in more plants would put roots here in albertville, alabama, to because they knew they could get that work fost. a what is this bill going to do for us? it will impact t