mr. kramer, my two minutes left. generally what should electrical generation companies be doing to best ensure that their systems can't be hacked into? and then on the electrical generation itself, there's been some side discussions on electrical generation, more critical defense bases or buildings should go off grid totally reliant. and with the small module nuclear reactors may allow them to do that. you have a minute and a half to comment on both of those questions. >> i'll make three points, sir. first of all, with respect to the issue of serious attack. one of the tngs that a serious attack would have to do is reconnaissance. won't just attack without substantial reconnaissance. so the reconnaissance or the activities you're talking about are quite consequential. and it would be part of any serious attack. and so dealing with those early on is just as important as dealing with the set of issues, you know, when the attack occurs. secondly, with respect to what the industry ought to do, there are a number of -- st

mr. kramer, my two minutes left. generally what should electrical generation companies be doing to best ensure that their systems can't be hacked into? and then on the electrical generation itself, there's been some side discussions on electrical generation, more critical defense bases or buildings should go off grid totally reliant. and with the small module nuclear reactors may allow them to do that. you have a minute and a half to comment on both of those questions. >> i'll make three points, sir. first of all, with respect to the issue of serious attack. one of the things that a serious attack would have to do is reconnaissance. won't just attack without substantial reconnaissance. so the reconnaissance or the activities you're talking about are quite consequential. and it would be part of any serious attack. and so dealing with those early on is just as important as dealing with the set of issues, you know, when the attack occurs. secondly, with respect to what the industry ought to do, there are a number of --

mr. kramer, in my 2 minutes left. generally, what should electrical generation companies be doing to best ensure that their systems can't be hacked into. and then on the electrical generation itself, there's been some side discussions on electrical generation. some are more critical defense bases or buildings should go off-grid totally reliant and with the small module nuclear reactors may allow them to do that. you have a minute and a half to comment on both those questions. >> i'll make three points, senator. first of all, with respect to the issue of serious attack, one of the things that a serious attack would have to do would be reconnaissance. they won't attack without substantial reconnaissance so the activities you were talking about are quite conquential and dealing with those when the attack occurs. secondly, with respect to what the industry ought to do, there are a number of standards set forth, both ferc, doe and others have written out which might -- i think one is called -- well, there's 20 critical act