mr. kramer, but general members arrest -- are allowed to participate under public comment. if there is anyone in those categories who would like to speak please come forward. can you raise your hand so i can determine how much time to let you have. this is only on the subject of continuance. i would like two minutes each. >> my name is caroline johnson, the reason why i would object to a continuance or at the minimum allow the people who are here, members of the neighborhood who have been waiting around for 3 1/2 hours to speak, to just be able to get up and say what they think or at least demonstrate by the standing, their interest in this process. so they don't have to come back and do this again. we spent 3 1/2 hours waiting around and the person who is affected by this chose to leave. and all of us chose to stay. >> that means you win. >> well, it seems that we should at least be heard and not have to come back for this again. so i won't speak to the merits but i will ask [inaudible] >> speak into the microphone, please. >> speak about this opposition in support of this

mr. kramer and the appellant can withdraw the appeal, that would give the police department freehand to revoke their decision. >> i have a simpler solution. i'm going to move that we revoke this permit on the basis of lack of notice and due process and if the permit holder wants to request a rehearing, i will seriously consider it >> i would support that motion. >> okay. >> we would send out a 10 day no show notice. >> let's get this over with. [ applause ] >> quiet, you guys. commissioner has made a motion. >> okay. so the motion then is to revoke the permit commissioner fung with the finding of insufficient notice? >> no, with the fact that there was insufficient notice community notice on the initial permit issuance. >> insufficient notice at time of issuance? >> defective notice >> i think that's correct. >> with the finding of defective annoys -- notices at the time of issuance. again to repeat we have a motion from commissioner fung to revoke this notice with defective notice at the time of issuance and the permit holder is not in the room. we would send out a no show letter to her. on t

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