mr. krancer. mr. krancer, figured i would simply say those are the kind of arguments that are used for generations against federal involvement. if we were talking 40, 50 years ago about, for example, prologues -- jim crow laws and the south and the civil rights movement we would've heard testimony writer at this testimony -- it is my time. mr. chairman, i insist he adheres to the rules. this is my time. mr. krancer, i gave you the benefit of doubt and logic to answer as you wish. it's now my time. i believe that that philosophy is in error. i don't share it. >> that was in active in -- >> i insist on a regular order. >> i think you, mr. chairman. it has been proved false by history. that is clearly what this hearing is designed to give them as was beijing this month. i don't share the philosophy. the fact that you had a good expense in pennsylvania, i don't believe you can necessary extrapolate it to the rest of the country as you've indicated, you don't have the expertise actually to say here at this