mr. krebs side it is more likely that you remember him because of the way he lost his job as the head of cisa at the very end of the trump administration. last fall, cisa's main responsibility was to take part of one major piece of our infrastructure safe. the election infrastructure it was our their job to keep our elections safe from with militias interference. but when president trump started spreading lies and conspiracy theories about made-up fraud and interference in the election, since ahead to decide what to do. they are in charge of protecting the election from malicious interference. when that malicious interference did not happen, but there were lies being spread about the fact that it did in order to undermine confidence in the election, they were part of the federal government, but they have to switch gears to start defending our elections from the sitting president. defending the integrity of our elections from the attack on the integrity of those elections being waged by the man

mr. krebs: yes, donald trump, if he said it, i am sorry. there would be tens of millions that would still say, you know what, he betrayed us. they will go find someone else to lead that. it is just human nature. when we are unified, it tends to be external threats. look at 9/11. that is probably the most recent time we have been unified as a nation, and look how that ended up, we had a war. overcoming that is going to be incredibly challenging again even if you could, but it is with the harms that could be delivered from that, so look at what you talked about the information ecosystem and what is out there, look at what is available on youtube and some of the other streaming platforms where you have non-journalistic programming, but it is really high quality production, and you look at it, you are like, this looks like a real news feed, and with the journalistic standards. they can lie, and what is the remedy for anyone who is impacted with like dominion voting systems where they sue. and those cases will work their way through the core and

of stupid that we're asked to buy, and this is why i appreciate the reporting of josh and despite mr. krebss a lawyer, protecting and holding the line on this election and got summarily castigated for it, and so we need these two voices and forces out there, both an open, free approach by the media to go and dig into these truths and the legal representation and, you know, those who represent us out there sort of pursuing the truth on that front, because where the republicans are right now, nicole, they can't stand up against that. they cannot stand up against the scrutiny of the press or legal system that's saying, wait a minute, time-out. what you're saying is not what happened. now, to chris's point, how do you get the rest of the country that's sitting there, going, oh no, no, no, joe biden didn't win, because donald trump told us so. so, as long as that narrative persists, we're going to have, as chris rightly points out, a very difficult time holding that line on democracy, because you're going to have those folks paying and buying into this idea that what they're seeing happen didn't