mr. kucinich said he is going public with it because of the potential regulatory changes. despite pressure from the white house,le companies have plans to move to mexico. caterpillar and steel maker new core are opening plants south of the border, as are general motors. rex nord is also going ahead with plans even though trump is calling out viciously firing workers. they were waiting for a ruling on the immigration order. the court said the decision would not come today. so on wall street, activity was muted as the recent stock surge took a pause and financial shares declined. the dow jones industrial average 1235 points to 2754. the nasdaq rose 8 to a new high and the s&p 500 added 1. >>> despite today's small moves, and challenge traded funds are having a big year and it could be a sign that retail and institutional investors are getting back into this market. flr. >> etfs are one of the ways they are reporting money back in the market. and according to the folks at black rock which manage as lot of money and funds and ets, we've seen it in the last two months. about $4

mr. kucinich joins us from cleveland.greed that president obama is partially responsible for this. explain your point of view for us. >> i'm opposed to u.s. intervention, it costs our nation dearly. $6 trillion since 9/11. we have a right to defend ourselves. though, iraq, president bush's watch, created an enormous amount of refugees. libya and syria created a lot of refugees, that was president obama's watch. if you don't have wars, you don't create refugees. there has to be some responsibility that has to be taken by the president. >> bill: okay. i see it differently because in syria, which is ground zero for the refugee problem, and that is the country that president trump has said, we are not going to take into refugees until we can figure out a better vetting system, they are, we didn't really do anything. we didn't intervene, we let assad, the butcher, kill his people, which created a refugee situation all on its own. we have nothing to do with that. am i wrong? >> bill come i hate to say this, but you are wrong. t