mr. lambert died. s report with some of the edited video. this includes graphic video of what happened to mr. lambert. >>> police video showed this handcuffed man repeatedly tased outside of a virginia hospital before dying in police custody. >> all right, we're just taking a little ride. >> the police brought him to that hospital but they never took him inside for help. for linwood lambert's family, it's been an agonizing mystery until now. new video obtained exclusively by msnbc shows every moment of a hospital trip that turned deadly. police ruled caution against repeat tasing, but officers tased lambert at the door of the e.r., again as he lay on the ground, then again in the squad car, discharging 20 tasings including while he was restrained, a violation of their own rules. the incident unfolded in about an hour. it all began during an early morning in may two years ago. police responded to a disturbance call and say they found lambert in a trashed motel room ha luis nating and acting paranoid. he

mr. lambert, what would justice look like in this case?see those officers handcuffed and taken off to jail. >> that's what you want to see happen? >> yes. >> well, mr. lambert, appreciate you joining us and adrian, as well. thank you so much. we'll continue to follow this. >> thank you for having us. >> just ahead, two powerful voices on the gun violence crisis in chicago. spike lee talks about his new film "chiraque" and michael pfleger shares what he's learned over decades of trying to make chicago streets safer. p blah. >>> tonight part two of my interview with spike lee and father michael pfleger. i met up with him in chicago where gun violence and gangs made the south side one of the most dangerous places to be as a child. on tuesday tyshawn lee was laid to rest, 9 years old gunned down in an ally execution style. they believe he was targeted. at the funeral father pfleger that gave the eulogy could not contain his frustration and anger. >> tyshawn was not in the wrong place, the murderer, the executioner, the assassin, he was in the

mr. lambert, what would justice look like in this case?i see those officers handcuffed and taken off to jail. >> that's what you want to see happen? >> yes. >> well, mr. lambert, appreciate you joining us and adrian, as well. thank you so much. we'll continue to follow this. >> thank you for having us. >> just ahead, two powerful voices on the gun violence crisis in chicago. spike lee talks about his new film "chiraque" and michael pfleger shares what he's learned over decades of trying to make chicago streets safer. this is claira. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her she's agreed to give it up. that's today? we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. after the deliveries, i was ok. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. more pills? seriously? seriously. all these stops to take more pills can be a pain. can i get my aleve back? for my pain, i want my aleve. get all day minor arthritis pain relief with an easy open cap. only glucerna has carbsteady, diabetes, steady is exciting. clinically proven to

mr. lambert's demise and if you look at mr. ce car, he's restrained. his arms are cuffed behind his back. legs shackled and perspiring. he's having difficulty breathing. these are obvious signs of respiratory compromise and all of this is taking place feet from where mr. lambert could have gotten the medical attention he needed. >> in the police filings, they say that, yes, this all occurred in the doorway to the e.r. video shows that, but they say he basically committed multiple crimes in their presence and that was what they were reacting to and having seen those crimes with their own eyes and some of them as we have shown today on video they thus took him on to jail and that's their defense. >> right. and it's an important point, too, because the town of south boston has regulations that govern the police officers and particularly in the instance where tasers are used. there's a portion in the requirements that when a police officer uses a taser, in an assessment made of whether or not medical attention is provided. the polic

mr. lambert was tazed.en a response from the police, but we should point out it's a holiday vterans day as well. the police officer said the officers didn't use excessive force here. do you agree? >> up to a certain extent. as far as when he got to the hospital and he was trying to break through the glass, i think their force was adequate at that time. i don't think i would have used two tasers on the guy. it looked like at one point there may have been three. i think that's a little too much. once they got his legs shackled, it should have stopped. now, this is where the officers made their mistake. they were at the hospital. all they had to do -- and i have done this many a times when i worked the street is tell the hospital, come out with the gurney, put that man on a gurney and strap him to the gurney and cake taik him in. it's very clear this man was having some kind of a psychological event. he's not a typical perp who's resisting arrest because he's trying to get away from the police. this man is has

mr. lambert was tased.o the police today and haven't gotten a response and we should point out, it's a holiday, veterans day as well. joining me is sunny hostin and former nypd detective harry houck. they say they didn't use excessive force, do you agree? >> to an extent. when they got to the hospital and tried to breakthrough the glass, the force was adequate at that time. i wouldn't have use tw used two on the guy, one point looked like three. once they got his legs shackled, it should have stopped. they made the mistake, they were at the hospital and all they had to do, i done this many a times is tell the hospital to come out with a gurney, put that man on a gurney and strap him to the gurney and take him in. it's very clear this man was having some kind of psychological event. he's not a typical perp who is resisting arrest because he's trying to get away from the police. this man has a psychological problem and it's very clear they should have took that man into the hospital and never brought him back

mr. lambert. often times too quickly into these physical confrontations, excessive physical force, even in the face of a person who obviously has some medical issues that should be addressed with their assistance. it's just too easy now for policing and law enforcement to turn into a physical altercation or combat situation that really escalates above and beyond what is the professional standard. >> the interesting thing about this one, mark, is it begins with the right decision which is they come upon this guy and they realize this guy is not in a criminal posture. he's in a mentally disturbed posture, let's take him to an emergency room. let's get him some treatment. we're showing video of him now where he was first apprehended by the police. and they were trying to do the right thing at that point. but on the other video that you just showed, we just showed at the hospital, it seems like they had somebody who was handcuffed who they knew could not run away. i just want to tell the control room,

mr. lambert was a danger to anyone. transporting him into the hospital for medical reasons, he was in handcuffs. he was restrained. the only thing he did because of the fact that he was hallucinating and believed someone was following him or someone was after him and you can hear that on the videotape in the back of the car, he kicks out a window. so he does property damage. what's it cost for a sidecar window? $100? $150? the three police officers larger than mr. lambert then take him out of the car. the only thing he does is run towards the hospital where they're taking him for treatment in the first place. and that is what initiates this tasing. i think each tasing incident was inappropriate and uncalled for. but even if you suggest him running towards the hospital doors and tasing him to stop him the first time was appropriate, which i say is not. he's on the ground, and they continue to tase him. three officers simultaneously continuing -- the tasered are fired 20 times. can you hear mr. lambert on the ground sayin

mr. lambert and their actions did not cause his death. deborah feyerick, cnn, new york. >>> the attorneys for the south boston police department went on to say that, quote, we are vigorously defending the case. our position is affirmed by the reports of two independent well-qualified experts in the field. we tried to reach south boston police as well as virginia state police who picked up the investigation of lambert's death, but we have not yet heard back. i'm joined now by cnn legal analyst and defense attorney danny savellas. danny gilligan, former special police sergeant and police officer. and larry borensi, form reensic scientist. albeit we are not showing the entire length the video, is there anything in there that stands out to you when it companies to protocol and the reports that we did not do anything wrong? >> first off, since we're not looking at the entirety of the video, what you don't see there is an individual that continues to show violent behavior. even to the point where it's three officers trying to shackle his legs.

mr. lambert? less than, their words, less than 0.01. 0.01.her words, the level they found is about one hundredth or maybe even less of what the lowest level is reported in the foremost textbook of forensic toxicology. that is an absurd diagnosis. there is no basis for it. there are no gross or microscopic findings and no toxico logical findings to support that conclusion. i'm sorry to say this but i must be candid. too many medical examiners and coroners in this country are coming up with these diagnoses of cocaine, excited delirium in police confrontational deaths and you won't find any such diagnosis ever in another kind of case, ever. >> when it comes to the figure that you used for the amount listed in the autopsy of cocaine, records obtained by msnbc show the amount of taser charges, three officers discharged their tasers a total of 20 times, roughly, over half an hour period. >> yes. >> we do not know if all of those discharges connected with the body of lambert. he was in their care and custody at that time but a single five-second tas

mr. lambert, i understand this is very difficult and i appreciate you spending some time with us.nk you, sir. >> thank you. >> that federal suit is in court tomorrow? >> that's correct. the civil suit that we have been talking about is in court tomorrow, the first time in court since the tapes have been made public by our investigation and as we have been reporting the separate criminal case open investigation and police in the civil case denying all wrong doing and thus by definition saying that what they did was proper. they don't believe there is a criminal wrong doing. >> they are still employed. >> employed and promoted. those three officers on the video. >> thanks for bringing us the story. >>> be sure to look for the story more at msnbc.com including a full timeline of the events. also the raw video showing what happened. we'll be right back. well, right now you can get 15 gigs for the price of 10. that's 5 extra gigs for the same price. so five more gigs for the same price? yea, allow me to demonstrate. do you like your pretzel? yea. okay, uh, may i? 50% more data for the

mr. lambert is bringing a federal civil lawsuit.g tens of millions of dollars in damages. lawyers for the city of south boston virginia and for the police there say their police acted appropriately, did not use excessive force, deny any of the claims of the lambert families and their attorneys. there's also been an ongoing criminal investigation into the police behavior for two years now. so far, no charges. but that investigation is still ongoing. erin? >> miguel, thank you very much. live in virginia tonight. and "outfront" now, linwood lambert, gwendolyn smalls and her attorney. i know watching this again, this footage play out again has got to be very difficult for you. it does give viewers a sense of what really happened, though, and police are now saying the use of force was appropriate and necessary because your brother was acting erratic, he posed a danger that justified 21 tases. what do you say when you hear that? >> obviously they had to say that because they had nothing else to justify what they did to him. they have to

mr. lambert in the back of the car.ation trying to move on this and the larger scale issues, is this police brutality, is this tasers being used improperly, combination of both? where is the avenue for change here? >> well, it's actually a grisly reflection of what we have been saying for the last year is the root of the problem. it is about the culture of policing. if you are watching that video that's so hard to watch, what you see is this insistence on subduing this man, physically subduing this man. officers can do this with a night stick, with a flashlight, with pepper spray, with a taser. whatever the instrumentality it's the culture and the training that makes officers believe that this man who was clearly unarmed, was handcuffed and therefore incapacitated, had to be subdued, had to obey their every command, roll over, get up. if you don't do it, the officer says i will light you up again. the culture has police officers engaging with members of the public and engaging with potential arrestees as though they are

mr. lambert the first time or the second time or the third ti time.discovery, the tase sor logs, that they were discharged 20 or more times. the conduct is unconscionable. >> let me add quickly, we have not been a able to verify how many times he was tased. that said, your response to that. >> i believe what is verified is that the taser was deployed 20 times over half an hour. how many of them hit him is another issue. evaluating this, you can't e evaluate it in isolation. you have to look at each element as a whole. when he he breaks out the window and runs, the officers have some concern. is he going to run into the hospital. if so, would staff be in danger. would medical people be in danger so they are required to act. so there was a taser deployed. multiple people using a taser at that point, i question the wisdom of that. now it goes from them tasing him when he's getting into the hospital to he's now on the ground in handcuffs. they put shackles on his feet. he's tased yet again. now you know that he's in dire medical straits. they have brought

mr. lambert the first time. or the second time. or the third time. or the fourth time. we know now from the discovery that -- taser logs, that the tasers were discharged 20 or more times. and that is contrary to the policies of the south boston police department. it's contrary to the recommendations of the justice department. it's contrary to the warnings and recommendations of the manufacturer of the taser. the conduct is unconscionable. >> how surprised were you that there are no charges in this case? remember, this happened two years ago. >> here's the fascinating thing about these cases, it's that if you look at the case law, the vast majority of these cases deal with people suing law enforcement agencies. they don't deal with the decision of a prosecutor to charge or really not charge an officer -- >> you can't sue them civilly for not having charged. it's whether or not there should be civil action against them. the guy's dead, that's the problem here. the guy's dead. it's not you shouldn't have used the taser. it's you killed him. >> i know the m.e. is going to s