mr. latourette: correct. are you the last speaker? mr. dicks: no, i'm not the last speaker. mr. latourette: i'd like to reserve until your last speaker. mr. dicks: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from california, mr. lewis. the chair: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. lewis: i appreciate my colleague yielding me this time. it has been suggested by more than one person, not just today but just a moment ago, also, that we are headed towards a cliff in terms of our financial circumstances. it could take our country to bankruptcy and create a circumstance from which we perhaps would never be able to come back. to suggest that this substitute makes sense really baffles me. i've been told by the speaker that the gentleman from ohio is a very thoughtful member and has contributed a great deal to our committee. which he has, but across the board cutting in an effort to make sense out of our spending process makes no sense at all. and indeed, we are elected to look at the whole mix, and indeed to pick winners and losers, decide what programs should be cut significantly