.>> most of- mr. lepky for observation. >> president hwang: is that it? >> about it. everything else we took care of very well. i wrote reports and took photographs and posted them on the internet. >> president hwang: so comparing the project you did and you consulted on mr. lee's property and compared to the property at issue here, are you operating -- do you have comparable conditions? are you advising in the exact same manner as you would have over there? >> it's about the same technically. there's a difference, i can tell you in a minute what it is. >> president hwang: okay. >> on the other project it was a top-down project. there was no way to go in from the side because there was 23, 24 feet of sand against i call him keith. i can't pronounce his name -- against keith's building there was 23, 24 feet of sand and it was right against his building and his foundation was not deep. so we had to shore, from not going underneath this building, we shored from the side, using grout. it was a much more difficult process, that was. the other project, the new project, is a