fifth mrs. lerner in line with the quinn cases was clearly informed of that decision and still miss lerner continues to refuse to testify before this committee. i submit to my colleague's on both sides of the aisle all the constitutional impediments have been removed. it's a clear and simple question before us. this committee should recommend to the house that miss lerner be held in contempt for failure to comply with the subpoenas issued to her. i recommend that my colleagues on both sides of the committee can vote accordingly. >> i think the gentleman. we now go to the gentlelady from new mexico. >> thank you mr. chairman and i'm going to yield my time to the ranking member. >> i want to thank the gentlelady for yielding. mr. chairman i would like to put into the record two letters. over the last week i received two letters from the chairman making allegations against me that were absent -- unsubstantiated. the first sent last friday alleging i was insisting on immunity for miss lerner when in fact i

mrs. lernerppeared before this committee last may and made an entirely voluntary opening statement in which she professed her innocence. she said she did no wrong, broke no laws and di not iolate any i.r.s. rules. ms. lerner answered additional questions -- i'm sorry. ms. lerner asserted her fifth amendment rights then answered some additional questions after asserting the fifth? we know from her attorney that no at down for a lengthy, strings attached interview with eric holer's justice department. she was not granted immunity. think about that for a second. mrs. lerner who once held a position of great power and responsibility at the i.r.s. is willing to talk to the justice department, the executive branch. but she remains unwilling to answer questions from elected representatives of the american people. at one point ms. lerner's attorney told us she would testify but then rescinded that offer after seeing some of the evidence gathered by the committee. that's not the way these things work. the

i support the resolution to hold mrs. lerner in contempt of congress for her refusal to testify before this committee. as an institution, and as the representative of the american people, we must hold her to account and continue to insist that she provide all information about the irs targeting. the committee's extensive investigation shows mrs. lerner was a central figure in the i.r.s. targeting, as we have heard her directed the tea party application to be put through a multitier review and delay. she specifically asked by name r the tax exempt file by a prominent conservative 401 c-4 applicant, and the ways and means committee released documentation showing how she subjected conservative groups to extraordinary scrutiny. beyond these facts, we must hear from ms. lerner. she viewed tea party groups as fundamentally different from other nonprofit, saying they are itching for a constitutional challenge, not part of exempt organizations. the apparent bias likely played a large role in the irs scrutiny and delay of conservative le

mrs. lerner refused to comply with a congressional speen. -- subpoena. shird, she offered a voluntary statement in appearances before this committee. fourth, this committee determined that she waived her fifth amendment priver. fifth, ms. lerner was clearly informed of this decision and still ms. lerner continues to refuse to testify before this committee. i submit to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. all constitutional impediments have been removed. it is a clear, simple question before us. ms. lerner should be held in contempt. i recommend that my colleagues on both sides of the committee will vote accordingly. >> i thank gentleman. we go to the gentlelady from new mexico. >> thank you, mr. chairman and i'm going to yield my time to the ranking member. >> thank you for yielding. mr. chairman, i would like to letters.the record two over the last week, i received two letters from the chairman making allegations against me that were unsubstantiated. one was i was insisting on immunity for ms. lerner when in fact i was trying obtain a proffer. and t

mr. chairman, i would like to join in the ranking member cummings' objecting to this resolution. not because we don't want to hear from lois lerner. we do. i join mr. gowdy in saying i would love to have a crack at cross examining her myself. ut i object to this. because it is a trample on individual rights, something that we are sworn to uphold and protect in this country. the chairman referred to mccarthyism and several members here today have done that. you know, a lot of people in the united states were not born when joe mccarthy was running around half cocked as he did trumping up charges against individuals that they were communists and plotting to conspire against the united states government, holding up lists and claiming to have their names in his hands, piecing together random bits of information cherry picked from this source or that source. that is what he did and mr. chairman, that was a national embarrassment. it was a national embarrassment. you know, there are a lot of reasons people want to come to this nation from all over the world. because principally, because we are the bright, shining beacon of liberty in th

>> it is, and although this is painful for people like eric holder and mrs. lernerit's also a very good plus for democrats, because one of the things that i think we have to keep repeating is you can't turn the congress of the united states over to these guys lock, stock, and barrel. they are crazy. aspersions on my asparagus, he's absolutely loony. they try to pass wacko legislation and are doing things the american people hate. the american people hated it when they did it to president bush, they hate it when they do it to the obama administration. they want congress to get down to work, and when they see stuff like this, negativism, threats on threatening to hold people in contempt, they say to themselves, it's a three-ring circus. we can't entrust the government to these guys, and that's one of the best weapons. i said earlier this month, chris, if the elections were held right now, the only thing that could stop the republicans from winning a solid victory in the congress is the republicans themselves. >> well, that's the point. you know, back in the 50th congr

case after case, clear evidence now in black and white that mrs. lerner broke the law, violated the trust of the citizens in her job. >> but it will all come down to what eric holder decides to do. and he was also held in contempt as well and that case remains open. congressman aaron schock, thank you for your insight. >>> new signals picked up deep under the indian ocean as searchers search for the source of that fading sound now. we'll talk to an aviation expert who's brought a replica of what they're trying to find. >>> and, wow, wow, we're going to show you what happened here next. >>> plus, oscar pistorius back on the stand. the blade runner's emotional reaction when prosecutors asked him to look at photos of the woman that he shot dead. ♪ i know a thing about an ira ♪ and i got the tools ♪ to do it my way ♪ i got a lock on equities ♪ that's why i'm type e ♪ ♪ that's why i'm tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ i can do it all from my mobile phone ♪ ♪ that's why i'm tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ if i need some help i'm not alone ♪ ♪ we're all tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ we've got a pl

mrs. lerner's testimony. when the ranking member has attempted to help the chairman get the information he said he wants, the chairman silenced the ranking member and prevented him from speaking. i can only assume despite his repeated claims, the chairman doesn't actually want to hear from ms. lerner and that is a shame because the public deserves the truth and not a political side show. i yield back. >> pleased to yield to the . ntleman from north carolina, >> thank you, mr. chairman. as we go into this particular debate, i think it is good for all of us to remember that this is a debate on emotion. a debate on perhaps amendments that may be offered and as we start to look at this, the question of lois lerner being held in contempt is one that both sides of the aisle should take very seriously. but it really gets down to restoring the trust for the american people. what we have found over and over again is starting last may is someone who came before this very committee and said that she had done nothing wro

. >> if mrs. lernerl was to use the irs as an instrument to seek vengeance on conservative groups because the citizens united supreme court opinion unleashed funds from groups and corporations, there definitely needs to be a criminal investigation. somehow, they are conflict did. he is morally obliged. stuart: i think congress should call it the turning general and ask why he is not criminally investigating. cedric you will say, you do not want to go there, buddy. it was replaced with a statute. stuart: i have another one for you. you are not off of the hook yet. they would diver money. they want to diverge from the light removal. now, is that legal? >> i cannot imagine that that would be legal. stuart: it was allocated to the state of michigan. he has already diver did. he is now on the vote tuesday, will he or will he not let that money go. >> the politics would say do it. it is federal dollars intended to get rid of polite. they will pay money who have already worked and already retired. stuart: it is

consider a resolution recommending contempt of congress for a farmer i amrs -- former irs executive, mrs. lernerfor almost a year since lois lerner leaked information from the inspector general's report, the committee has been trying to get to the bottom of irs targeting. lerner's testimony to complete our oversight work, to bring the truth to the american people. why did she do certain things, and who else was involved. it is important to review how we arrived at this resolution today. ms. lerner appeared before this committee last may and made an entirely voluntary opening statement in which she professed her innocence. said she did nothing wrong, broke no laws, and did not violate any irs rules. oath, widender ranging claims of innocence, ms. lerner answered some additional -- ms.ns, then refused lerner asserted her fifth amendment right, then answered some additional questions after asserting the fifth. host: tell us what we heard there. lerner appeared a couple of times before this committee, and on one of those occasions, she, rather than coming in and saying i decline , she madequestions

the troubles not and therefore mrs. lerner. they will vote on holding her in contempt of congress. joining us now, karl rove. a fox news contributor. this committee that is voting today, if they vote in the affirmative, they kick it to the justice department headed by eric holder. what happens then? >> first of all i need to disclose i am associated with a group called crossroads gps conservative advocacy group. this is a group lois lerner is with, involved in the house ways and means committee action. she led an effort to deny 5o1c4 tax-exempt status diverting their own status and procedures to harass conservative groups. we know she reached out the irs, her former employer attempted to get them to join in declaring crossroads gps the group that had to file which they refused to do, when it became known that she was in communication over this issue, he resigned, left his job. so i don't know what is in the documents, but my suspicion is we have been led to believe the crossroads gps and will be all over the stock missed because lois lerner pick this out went after the tax-exempt s

we elect our leaders, and they put people in positions like mrs. lernerto fulfill what congress has asked them to fulfill in the different agencies. when something goes awry and someone is able in the federal agency, who works for the federal government, to plead the fifth, i think that says it all. host: java comment about the resignation of kathleen sibelius today? caller: no, i don't. i apologize, was that the topic? host: next up, we're going to go to charles who is and not the doped juice -- who is in not the doges, texas. -- in texas. caller: this resignation symbolizes the failure of the health-care law. they pushed it down the throats of the american people and the ren studies now shows that obamacare has only covered sent -- 7/10 of one percent of the uninsured people. the people who have gone on obamacare have gone on with medicaid. these are people who are arty insured, who were forced out of their insurance, who had to take something else obamacare. these people who are in the numbers now were not people who were uninsured we still have millio

mr. boustany is there any evidence of white house involvement? he didn't answer it zero. i was among the first to say lois lerneruld be relieved of her duties. among the very first. there's been zero evidence of this involvement of the white house, and let me also say there was an alternative when mr. camp and the republicans in the house wanted to send the information that was in this booklet to the attorney general, they didn't have to have a secret session and then make it public violating the public's right to confidentiality. all the chairman had to do was to call up the attorney general and say i want to give you this information. >> i think you've made that point. i want to ask you about this, though. the fact is that the irs was urchd heavy pressure at particularly this time to go over -- to go after conservative groups that were seeking tax exempt status. they were under heavy pressure from top democrats, including david axelrod who was then as an atdz viesor to the president, dick durbin, charles schumer, and a fellow named carl levin, the senator from michigan who just happens to be your brother. you

mr. obama begins to speak we'll bring you live to theentious vent. >> a fox news alert. can congress haul lois lerner to jail? that is a question as the house committee is voting to hold the face of irs scandal in contempt of congress. i am greg in for bill hemmer. >> the congress is frustrated that former irs official lois lerner refused to answer the question. we have the results of the vote. n21- 12 in the house oversight committee and goes to the full house to determine whether lois lerner is in contempt of congress. they arousing every tool to compel lois lerner to testify. key law maker ares involved in the organization said the evidence against learner is overwhelming in the targeting of the conservative group scandal. learner made 17 factual assertion claiming her innocence and taking the fifth and refusing to answer questions from law makers. a former federal prosecutor said she cannot say innocence and then refuse to testify. >> that's the not the way our system works. you have to answer the other side's questions. i think the questions are fair. the tea party is dangerous? dangerous to who

mr. cummings who had made certain 2012cts at irs in august, -- again, the question before us is contempt against lois lerner. she was given the opportunity to come before us and she came before us the first time in may. that is less than a year ago. and she refused to cooperate and testify. we gave her another opportunity just weeks ago to come back and to testify. interviewedime, we over 30 witnesses. almost every one of them, and i will put this in the record, pointed to lois lerner. she started this whole thing out. >> will the gentleman yield? >> i will not yield. .> the gentleman's time is his we will have regular order. the gentleman may continue. >> what she did is worthy of probably an academy award here and she went before the inspector general report was may -- in it was released may 14. on may 10, she did a broadway production. it was worthy of an academy award. -- when she said that, one of the irs folks who heard it, cindy thomas -- -- innati it was hit by a convoy of mack trucks. that is what they said according to what she tried to produce. everything points at her and she has refused to coop

mr. obama. it will was surprising but the latter will. time for a few of your comments. the poll question whether or not lois lerner>> not as long as eric holder is in charge. >> there should be a paddy wagon ready to do take her to the big house. >> it is not taken a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on behind closed doors. there is absolutely no investigation with the cover your but meetings contact us at facebook or twitter or e-mail at lou@loudobbs.com. the authors of the comments each evening receives a free copy of my book "upheaval". that is it for us. marcia blackburn and "the weekly standard" executive editor of will be here next editor of will be here next week. life an everyday miracle of survival today the future of all life on earth hangs in the balance what happens next depends on us ♪ well you done done me and you bet i felt it ♪ i tried to be chill but you're so hot that i melted ♪ i fell right through the cracks ♪ now i'm trying to get back ♪ before the cool done run out i'll be giving it my bestest ♪ and nothing's going to stop me but divine intervention ♪ i reckon it's again my turn ♪

mr. obama. it will was surprising but the latter will. time for a few of your comments. the poll question whether or not lois lerner lot of response. >> not as long as eric holder is in charge. >> there should be a paddy wagon ready to do take her to the big house. >> it is not taken a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on behind closed doors. there is absolutely no investigation with the cover your but meetings contact us at facebook or twitter or e-mail at lou@loudobbs.com. the authors of the comments each evening receives a free copy of my book "upheaval". that is it for us. marcia blackburn and "the weekly standard" executive editor of will be here next week. ♪ [ male announcer ] when fixed income experts... ♪ ...work with equity experts... ♪ ...who work with regional experts... ♪ ...who work with portfolio management experts, that's when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration. mfs. when folks in the lower 48 think athey think salmon and energy.a, but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. thousands of people here in a

mr. obama. it will was surprising but the latter will. time for a few of your comments. the poll question whether or not lois lernerill face real consequences generated a lot of response. >> not as long as eric holder is in charge. >> there should be a paddy wagon ready to do take her to the big house. >> it is not taken a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on behind closed doors. there is absolutely no investigation with the cover your but meetings contact us at facebook or twitter or e-mail at lou@loudobbs.com. the authors of the comments each evening receives a free copy of my book "upheaval". that is it for us. marcia blackburn and "the weekly standard" executive editor of will be here next week. have a great weekend.tein good night from new york. e expey in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global ecomy. it's just one reon over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks,

lerner. mike emanuel on the unusual step lawmakers took today. >> 23 yeas, 14 nays. >> by a vote, they have referred this to eric holder about lois learner's role in tarring targeting groups. >> mr. chairman, i have a right for point of order. >> just chill out, what is the gentleman -- >> you follow procedure, sir. >> what is the gentleman's point of order? >> i'm very chilled out. lawmakers say learner's action may have violated one or more criminal statutes. that includes using her position to improperly influence irs scrutiny showing extreme bias and prejudice toward conservative kbrups, about the liberals organizing for america, oh, maybe i can get the d.c. office job. the committee found that lerne rext impeded official investigations. learner risked exposing and may have disclosed confidential taxpayer information. >> it really involves a potential violation of constitutional rights of hard working taxpayers and i think it's very important that this be pursued seriously. >> this criminal referral is an unusual step. the first time since former major league pitcher roger clem men's was accused of lying to congress about performance enhancing drugs in 2008. democrats cried

mr. woodward you know about scandals. how serious is the i.r.s. scandal? one of the key questions, does this begin and end with a mid-level bureaucrat would we never heard of nameed lois lerner? >> does the committee necessity how to investigate? they are worried about this one person who has invoked her fifth amendment rights not to answer questions and you have congressmen on the committee going on and saying we have evidence he is of involved in control act it. i don't think you should cross that lane. the second thing, this is always one person who will not talk and when you conduct an investigation like this, and i have not gone into the details, you need to find people who will talk and there are always people who will do this. we should dig interest it, there should be answers, and for the president to take that position is very, very unusual to say there is not any evidence here. george has a good list. actually, there are more. there is a question, too, and you are right, the i.r.s. particularly this week as we know when we file our tax returns has a big place in everyone's life and they have immense power and the power of the federal government to come and say, we

lerner should be relieved of her duties, among the very first. and there's been zero evidence of this involvement of the white house. let me also say, there was an alternative. when mr. camp and republicans in the house wanted to send the information that was in this booklet to the attorney general, they didn't have to have a secret session. and then make it public, violating the public's right to confidentiality. all the chairman had to do was to call up the attorney general and say i want to give you this information. >> i want to ask you about this. the fact is that the irs is under heavy pressure at particularly this time to go over -- to go after conservative groups that were seeking tax exempt status. they were under heavy pressure from top democrats including david axel rod who has been an adviser to the president, dick durbin, charles shum eastern a fellow named carl schumer. you really don't believe that pressure from the top democrats on the democratic irs and democratic administration had anything to do with this? >> the inspector general said in essence, no. let me point out very clearly the 501-c-4 -- force. >> they just completed an audit. >> let me fi

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mr. chairman, i yield back the balance of my time. >> the committee went on to the 21-12 along party lines to hold former irs official lois lerner in contempt of congress. that citation now goes to the full house for consideration. you can see the entire house oversight committee meeting tonight at 8:40 eastern here on c-span or any time online at c-span.org. house today passed a republican budget resolution for fiscal year 2015 altered by budget share paul ryan. the plan calls for a balanced budget within 10 years by making over $5 trillion in cuts and repealing the health care law. before today's final vote, republican and democratic leaders spoke about the proposal on the house floor. this is 25 minutes. rise today in support of the pro-growth budget act. right now america is not working for too many people. for years our economy has remained stagnant and job growth weak. at the current time three out of four americans report that they are living paycheck to paycheck. the ability to climb the economic ladder of success and live the american dream is becoming much more difficult for millions of people. mr. chairman, this is the s

mr. chairman, and members of the committee. side of the aisle would have you believe that this justmething that republicans are doing and we did not give ms. lerner is a chance -- ms. lerner a chance. the facts are pull up a little chart that irs began targeting withrvative groups conservative-sounding names from march to april, 2010, and ms. lerner was in charge of that particular agency and responsibility. june 2010man issa in alerted irs. it was not republicans who really helped launch some of the investigation.al in february, we heard previous comments from -- february, 2012. the investigation actually started, and i penciled it in, march, a month later, the