. >> let me first say, mr. liddyu serve our country in many, many ways -- business, fbi, cia, government -- and i defer to you in the magnitude of the solidity of your service. >> well, sir, as i try to explain to people, any damn fool can keep his mouth shut, and nobody was, you know, whamming on me the way they were on you. [laughter] thank you, though, for those very kind words. now, tell me about this very elaborate communications system that you have. you're all isolated in separate cells, and yet you had a communication system where you could identify who was where? you had code names for different parts of the prison in which you were held. you, you had a command and control set up that was based on rank and data rank. who created that system? when you got there, was it in existence, or did you create it? how did it work? >> when we went to survival, evasion, resistance and escape, we learned there was a tap code by which you blocked off the alphabet five by five and just indicated a row and column for each of

. >> thank you, mr. liddy. our next witness is mr. joseph rannazzisi, deputy assistant to administrator for the drug enforcement agency, the coordinate's major drug investigations. he serves as liaison to the pharmaceutical industry. he has a bachelor's degree in pharmacy from butler university, a lot degree from detroit college and michigan state. are registered pharmacist and a member of the michigan bar. thank you for coming in today, and a floor source for 5 minutes. >> thank you, sir. chairman specter, senator hatch, distinguished members of the panel, on behalf of the 9400 men and women of the drug enforcement administration, i want to thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony concerning body building products, steroids, and enforcement barriers. to understand the abuse, we must guard by discussing testosterone. it is a hormone produced in the body. is this -- it is a schedule iii drug. it is used by many to perfect body appearance, increase physical performance, and gain muscle size and mass. over time, scientists deve

. >> thank you, mr. liddy. our next witness is mr. joseph rannazzisi, deputy assistant to administrator for the drug enforcement agency, the coordinate's major drug investigations. he serves as liaison to the pharmaceutical industry. he has a bachelor's degree in pharmacy from butler university, a lot degree from detroit college and michigan state. are registered pharmacist and a member of the michigan bar. thank you for coming in today, and a floor source for 5 minutes. >> thank you, sir. chairman specter, senator hatch, distinguished members of the panel, on behalf of the 9400 men and women of the drug enforcement administration, i want to thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony concerning body building products, steroids, and enforcement barriers. to understand the abuse, we must guard by discussing testosterone. it is a hormone produced in the body. is this -- it is a schedule iii drug. it is used by many to perfect body appearance, increase physical performance, and gain muscle size and mass. over time, scientists deve