mr. lillert: the huntington library. it's an amazing set of hundreds of pages of detective reports that was in the private hands of a defendant of a cattle baron for about 100 years and they were just released now. thesemany people have stereotypes of the west based on viewing western movies and books. do you find that people have also kind of a view of detectives? have you had to deal with that when talking about your subject at all? the historians that talk about detectives in the last 20 years are mostly labor historians. the pinkerton's were always the bad guys. they were breaking unions. there were a couple of decades for the history about how evil and of various these people were. it is true. they were doing other stuff too. i'm trying to look at them as how does the government in one place what about a subject, or maybe in 100 miles away were railroads don't go in the 1890's. we look at the early modern world, like a lot of governments have no idea what is going on on the peripheries. detectives are a major develo