i yield back. >> thank you madam chair and mr. lilli, thank you for straightening out what i was discussing with mr. conway over here, and that at a penny a piece it sounded like a zip tie to me, something most of us probably have. you can walk down to a walmart oc or cvs or certainly any hardware store would have them. and so $523.14 worth of zip ties by my calculation, 52,314 at a penny a piece. i'm sorry you're getting brow beaten over a zip tie or 52,000 of them to be honest with you. i wonder how much money -- this has gone on over the zip ties since 2008, is that right? >> correct, sir. >> we have five members of congress staff is, we have three of you here, and we're talking about zip ties. i mean, if i put one on something and it breaks, i would simply put two of them on the next time if it wouldn't hold. and i mean, the people that i know that work in the air force that are pilots that get our men and women and aviators ready to roll, they are smart enough to know if one zip tie won't work, maybe you use two. if you use a diffe

mr. lilli, i don't have a lot of confidence in dla's response generally. i think the fact that the inspector general has done all of these reports and there are still problems should make us all pause. as it relates to the $12.3 million that is due the taxpayers in restitution for these faulty parts, i would like for you to report back to this committee on a regular basis until we know confidently that restitution has been sought and received for all these defective parts. inspector general sopko, you said in previous congressional testimony that data was missing from the hard drive and you were determining if data had been manipulated. has that review been concluded? >> yes, it has. and although we can't tell if it was manipulated, we think we don't have all the data. and it could just be that the records are so poor at tpso that they just don't have the data. >> when the tbeso program wasn't doing well for a number of years, and yet it was on auto pilot based on your report, how do we prevent

. >> so, mr. lilliwhat are you doing to try to find these 36,000 parts that are po templeally still out there on pilots' helmets? >> the way we go about identifying finding parts is to provide what we call a supply alert. each service has a screening activity which is then responsible for working with their individual service customers to alert them to the deficiencies of the part, and then work to have them notified and then coordinate the return of those materials to our defense depots the so as a result of the all did, when we were alerted to this incident, we went back and ensured that that notification was sent and we sent an additional notification to once again reinforce the fact we have this potential. it will be dependent now, though, and we'll continue to work with the services to try and identify parts in the inventory and pull them back. in addition to all of this, in 2008 -- they cause it a tie strap, but it's a zip-tie, a small about 2-inch piece of plastic zip-tie you put on to hold that

mr. lilli, i don't have a lot of confidence in dla's response generally. i think the fact that the inspector general has done all of these reports and there are still problems should make us all pause. as it relates to the $12.3 million that is due the taxpayers in restitution for these faulty parts, i would like for you to report back to this committee on a regular basis until we know confidently that restitution has been sought and received for all these defective parts. inspector general sopko, you said in previous congressional testimony that data was missing from the hard drive and you were determining if data had been manipulated. has that review been concluded? >> yes, it has. and although we can't tell if it was manipulated, we think we don't have all the data. and it could just be that the records are so poor at tpso that they just don't have the data. >> when the tbeso program wasn't doing well for a number of years, and yet it was on auto pilot based on your report, how do we prevent

. >> so mr. lilly, what are you doing to try to find these 36,000 parts that are potentially still thousand parts that are potentially still out there on pilots helmets? >> the way we identify parts and customers inventory is what we call a supply alert. each service service has a screening activity which is responsible for working with their individual service customers to alert them to the deficiencies of the parts. then there to be notified and then coordinate and return those materials toward defense depots. as a result of the audit when we were alerted we went back and ensure that notification was sent. we sent an additional notification to once again reinforce the fact that we had this potential. it will be dependent now, and we will continue to work with the services to try to identify parts that are in the inventory of pull them back. in addition to all of this come in 2008 this particular, they call it a five strap but it's a zip tie, about a 2-inch piece of plastic zip tie that you put on to