and in terms of new information coming in, we do know that mr. lopez applied for leave of absence. he appeared to be a disgruntled employee. but at the end of the day you are dealing with a mental health illness issue. not unlike what we saw at the navy yard shooting. i'm disturbed about the uptick in shootings and violence at our military installations across the nationment and one last bit of information with respect to mr. lopez' state of mind, he did put on his facebook comments about how he lost his inner peace. he is filled with hatred. and he thought the devil would take him. we are dealing with not a rational person. and we need to look how we can better fortify our force protection at military installations and how can we deal with the mental health issues with our returning veterans. our suicide rate in the military is twice as high as the average population. we do a good job at fixing broken bodies but not such a great job of healing broken minds with our returning veterans >> schieffer: you said earlier this week we might have to allow our military people to be armed on

mr. lopez's rank or his service history. nbc's jim miklaszewski is told by officials that the shooting appeared to have stemmed from an argument that took place in the motor pool at ft. hood. beyond that report, though, we do not have any detail about what may have led to the shooting or whether the victims in this shooting may have been targeted specifically. in terms of the 11 people known to be injured, a local hospital has been receiving the wounded. they announced within the last hour that they had received four patients tonight already at their level one trauma facility. they said the four patients they had already received ranged from stable to very critical. those hospital officials also said at the last hour they were awaiting the arrival of two more patients who they say were very seriously wounded and who were expected to go straight into surgery upon their arrival at scott and white. all the injured are said to be suffering from singular or multiple gunshot wounds. ft. hood, of course, was the scene of the deadli

we've been talking a little bit off camera about this young man, mr. lopez, the alleged shooter in this case. you were making a very interesting point about his rank versus the time he's spent in the military. >> somebody who's spent nine years in uniform and who's 34 years old has the rank of somebody who's about 19 or maybe 20 years old. very, very unusual. i mean, you would expect somebody with his experience and his age to be at least a sergeant or maybe even a staff sergeant, two grades above the grade he was. so although there's no reason to disbelieve what the secretary of the army is saying, that he's got no blemish on his record, i'm curious about why somebody has spent so much time in a very low grade -- hasn't been prom e promoted. it's very unusual indeed. >> let's talk just a little bit about the mental health aspect of it. if you could tell us what is the procedure when somebody is seeking help? how does that impact potentially their ability to move up in rank in the military? >> well, it is not supposed to have any impediment to their moving u

mr. lopez's life. the hours leading up to specialist ivan lopez's deadly rampage gave no hint of what was to come. >> so you see him come down the stairs, he says good-bye and that's the last you saw of him hours before the attack? >> yeah. >> reporter: ayesha bradley says lopez moved into his apartment building about a month ago. he, his wife and young daughter were friendly approachable in every way, she says, normal. you said hello to him, you talked to him? >> yesterday. >> reporter: what did he seem like? >> he seemed pretty fine, happy. he didn't seem like, you know, the type that would do what he did. >> reporter: at 12:30, just minutes later lopez paid the rent, added his wife's name to the lease and left. still no sign of trouble. command sergeant major nelson vigas worked closely with lopez for a year and a half. >> he was one of my best soldiers in the organization. and he has the dynamic leadership. specialist lopez was an outstanding soldier with great initiative. he showed great leadershi

the apartment building itself is full of people who said that they saw mr. lopez only for the last three weeks or so. that's how long they've lived in killeen. they've only been here a short time but said he was a nice man. he smiled and waved whenever they saw him. so it's baffling to them how he could do such a horrible crime here on post. >> and, charles, of course, bafralling how this could happen yet again at fort hood. just a short time ago as a congressional hearing this morning, army chief of staff ray odierno had a message for the community of fort hood. let me play what they said. >> i understand the resilience of that community. the resilience of the people there. how proud the soldiers are of what they do, and we will do everything we can to ensure they continue to move forward. >> and, charles, we'll talk more about this in a second with our guest that we have lined up, but we know that ing cchanges were at fort hood after the shooting involves nidal hasan, involving concealed weapons and they were supposed to be registered when members of the militar

brandon, of what significance to you the fact that apparently mr. lopez sought out treatment?ou look at the law enforcement led by the fbi has done a great job over the last few years about raising awareness and training in regards to these active shooter incidents. and to me this just points out that we really need to up the training for the mental health industry and the professionals to help them identify their early warning signs here. here's a guy that sought out help and was on medication within months of doing that, went out and purchased a firearm. so i'm just a little bit shocked at how none of these warning signs triggered any red flags with anybody. >> in other words, the fact that he was seeking some level counselling, you're wondering why would that have triggered a process where he couldn't have access to the firearm. >> exactly. i think the base security should be commended. that policewoman who stood up to the gunman, that takes a lot of guts to draw down on somebody you know has taken the lives of several people. so i think she should be commended as well. >>

. >> mr. lopez, the c.o. in charge of the program, i give him a lot of respect, because he has put up with a lot of nonsense in this place. and people come in complaining about this and that. i'm thankful. really thankful for him. >> being in jail now has kept me clean for 2 1/2 months, and i don't believe i have ever been that clean in 4 1/2 years. my body is getting back to the normal cycle. which is a good thing, because for a while, i thought that i wasn't going to be able to have children. >> alyssa schlossberg has also had a heroin addiction and she is currently charged with possession of cocaine and hopes to take part in the program. she would have to plead guilty and then instead of jail or prison time, she would be sent into the rehabilitation facility, and she would have to follow the protocol and be subjected to the reporting for the period of her sentence. >> and i did not. >> she admits to lying to a rabbi to get an extra food tray. while it is not the most serious, the lieutenant decides that it

i see mrs. lopez exiting her apartment with her daughter. she seemed as if she was distraught. so me being a concerned person, i just went up to her to try to assure her that everything was going to be okay. and i walked her down to the courtyard and we all sat out there. >> in other words, at that moment the word was out that there had been this terrible shooting. but the news had not yet come that her husband was the shooter. >> yes. >> continue. >> so she made a phone call and some friend or maybe family came over to console her as well. we were still out in the courtyard for maybe about another hour and a half until she decided she wanted to go up to her apartment to get something. as soon as she made it up to the stairs by my apartment door, that's when they announced the name of the shooter, which is ivan lopez, her husband. and she just broke down. i ran and comforted her and took her into my apartment and i sat her on the couch. >> where was the lopez daughter at that moment? what was she doing? >> everyone came into my apartment. the little girl, she was in the courtya

. >> reporter: now the other thing we learned that mr. lopez purchased his gun legally in a store called guns galore and the same store where nidal hassan perched his gun for the killings here in 2009 and another man bought gun powder and ammunition there, but never got to carry out a plan. he was trying to copy cat that of nidal hassan. erin? >> thank you very much, miguel. miguel points out three different instances. two in which the shooter was able to murder others and one he thwarted. this is all in the fifth time in five years that a military facility has been the target of a shooting in the united states. the second, of course, at ft. hood with the horrific nidal hassan case. colonel, you spent a lot of time on a lot of basis, but here's the question about ft. hood. it is a huge base, it is one of the most important in the country in the world to the united states. it is the single biggest one-site employer in the state of texas. two mass shootings at the same base in five years. how could that happen? >> well, that's the big question, e

something that i find fascinating, which is military gun culture, especially that on bases, i understand mr. lopez, who committed this act, he had to get approval from his unit commander to have a firearm. how prevalent are personal firearms within base culture and within military culture, especially in the hands of a lot of individuals who might be suffering from ptsd? >> to be honest, most military operations are probably some of the largest gun-free zones in america. i mean, owning a firearm and having it on base is a very difficult to do, to get the gun registered. some bases just plainly don't allow firearms on the installation. to me, the situation is we've done an incredible job in the united states from the law enforcement led by the fbi and really training and identifying how these active shooters develop over time and how to deal with the situation. but it seems to me that there's a lack of training in the mental health professional industry to really identify these warning signs. you look at a guy that sought psychiatric help and purchased a firearm within a relatively short time of see

. >> mr. lopez, the c.o.of the program, i give him a lot of respect, because he has put up with a lot of nonsense in this place. an people come to him complaining about this and complaining about that. but i'm thankful. really thankful for him. he put that structure back in my life. >> being in jail has kept me clean now for two and a half months arranged i don't believe i've ever been that clean in over four years. my body is kicking back to, you know, a normal cycle. which is a good thing, because for a while, i thought that i wasn't going to be able to have children. >> alyssa schlossberg has also had a heroin addiction and she is currently charged with distribution of cocaine and hopes to take part in the state's drug court program. schlossberg would need to plead guilty. but then instead of jail or prison time, she would be sent to an in-patient rehabilitation facility and follow-up protocol that includes drug testing for as many years as the court deems necessary. >> i went to the kitchen and told them

neighbors, one of whom was with the man's wife when she heard the news on television, naming this man, mr. lopez. and that's when she just went hysterical. the neighbors say that they can't believe that this man, who they only knew for just a few weeks -- he'd only lived there a short time -- they can't believe he's involved in something like this. he was always -- seemed to be in a good mood, smiling and waving, as he came and went from the apartmentment. >> all right, charles hadlock, thank you very much. >>> i'm joined by the two congressmen whose districts cover ft. hood and the surrounding communities, republicans roger williams and john carter. gentlemen, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> congressman williams, i'll just start with you, and congressman carter, the same thing, the ft. hood community had to go through this five years ago. you look at this. i assume you're just shaking your head, "not again, how could this have happened?" >> well, that's true. it's just fresh out of our mind what happened five years ago. but ft. hood is very strong. they'll get through this. and that's

>> it's early in the investigation so we don't know if mr. lopez had ptsd.t we do know is there is some association between ptsd and criminal behavior, especially when irrability and aggression are present. there are a lot of unknowns before it many something we'll have to take a look at. martha: a lot of people suffer with ptsd, some do, not a lot, when they come back from the war zone. he was an iraq war veteran, he spent four months there in 2011. he was driving a truck. nothing about this situation would scream he had been in situations that would cause any of this. but we just don't know. so when you put all that into the mix, what concerns you about the way we are handling these issues back here at home? >> you know this is a complicated story. the ref lens of ptsd in our service members coming back from iraq and afghanistan is 10-30%, depending on the study you are looking at. but there are many factors that come into ptsd. growing up in a violent home or substance abuse. there are so many factors you have to look at it's hard to blame it on one thing

lopez, right? >> reporter: wolf, i want to read these names. they have learned them. timothy owens, carlos rodriguez, danny ferguson. and we know something about mrn. we have heard from his fiancee. she spoke with affiliate wtsp, and she described him as a person who loved sports. he loved football, loved basketball, also loved serving his country. and in the moments when this happened, two days ago, when lopez came on post, and fired his weapon, killing three people, injuring 16, we understand that ferguson was trying to protect his fellow soldiers. i want you to listen to what she had to say. >> he held that door shut. there's no locks. those doors, they're like -- seemed like they would be bulletproof, but apparently not. and if he was not being the one against that door holding it, that shooter would have been able to get through and shoot everyone else. >> reporter: he was the one trying to keep the door shut. a door that wouldn't lock. but ended up losing his life that day. and wolf, it's also important to point out, again, there was 16 people who were injured. three were in critical condition. but today we have learned those three have bee

mr. obama visited the army base after a mass shooting. last week specialist ivan lopez visit to texas. >>> word now of another shooting on a military base. authorities say, marine guarding the main gate at camp lejeune shot and killed another guard while on duty. there were other guards at the gate but no one else was injured. the shooter is in custody, but there is no reason why he opened fire. this is an isolated incident and the base was never locked down. >> a jury in houston decides the punishment for a woman convicted of killing her boyfriend by hitting him in the head with her stiletto. as we hear from abc's mary bruce, the shoe was prominently featured during the trial. >> reporter: a blue suede platform pump, size 9, with a 5 1/2 inch stiletto. and it was used to kill. >> we the jury find the defendant ana trujillo, guilty. >> convicted of bludgeoning her boyfriend to death with her high heel. >> guilty of fatally striking dr. stefan anderson, 25 times in the face with her now infamous shoe. in weeks of testimony, her attorneys argue that 45-year-old mother of