mr. machel and mr. hunt? >> nel. i do not want to say anything about mr. machel. think that is a little bit of an exaggeration. >> maybe you were not surprised because you were assuming that mr. hunt's office would be inside in which case there would be nothing that would cause you -- >> i am sorry. >> what about my question? >> did i assume mr. hunt was on the outside? no. i assumed he would be responsible and completely unbiased. i thought that dr. cable was an exception. >> we understand dr. cable. turning the other way around, mr. hunt -- >> is it true that the longer this went on, the higher the price might have to be? >> no. the greedier the hedge funds got. that was their way of negotiating. it always is. >> is it your feeling, mr. murdoch, that were it not for backing scandal, he would have bought the remaining shares in the sky b? -- bskyb? >> i do not know whether we can put it down to that. but, the hacking scandal, yes. the hacking scandal was not a great thing and tell the doubt -- until the daughter of the disclosure. -- the delta of disclosure. it w