. >> bill: what do you say to people who say mr. maher, these people cheated? there is a legitimate immigration process. they went around it they broke our civil laws coming in here and you, mr. maher, are -- mr. mayor are rewarding them by allowing them to stay and take part in new york citi' infrastructure which costs money. >> bill, think about how we got here back in 1986 i think it was. we had big immigration reform and congress did what congress always does. they talk tough. >> bill: and did nothing. >> and did nothing. they pass laws but then they don't fund it so that you can enforce the laws. so, yes, all the 11 million many probably down to something much less than 10,000 because a lot of people have gone home. if you take a look, there is almost nobody coming across the mechanic can border, in any case, people here illegally most of them overstay visas, at the don't run through the desert. >> bill: it doesn't matter how they get here. >> in fact, what's happened here is these people are part of our economy. you can't pick the crops without migrant wo