mr. makovsky: with our support. mr. misztal: with the u.s.asking them to do this, which is a move of the two yellow areas moving closer together o. and what you have seen is that turkey has not just stopped lus, which is an isis-held town. they are moving south, and the fear is they will be fighting not isis, but the syrian kurds and we will have allies fighting each other rather than fighting our real enemies in syria. yes. >> i would like -- [indiscernible] honestly i do not agree with many of your comments. let me share some of my thoughts about syria. [indiscernible] it is mixed with the pkk, which is a terrorist organization. access tocontinuous terrorist organizations in turkey. [indiscernible] we believe we are in partnership with the u.s. in this fight terrorism, so cooperation is proof that we are resolved to continue our fight against terrorism in that sense. of course, we do not associate amongst the terrorist organizations. have any good or bad terrorist organizations, we do not have any partner terrorist organizations, so the fig

mr. makovsky: with our support. mr. misztal: with the u.s. asking them to do this.nd what you have seen is that turkey has not just stopped capturing this isis held town. they are moving south, and the fear is they will be fighting not isis, but the syrian kurds and we will have ilife fighting each other rather than fighting our real enemies in syria. yes. i would like -- [indiscernible] honestly i do not agree with -- let me share some of my -- about syria. [indiscernible] against terrorist organizations interview. [indiscernible] we believe we are in partnership with the u.s. [indiscernible] we are going to continue our fight against -- amongst the terrorist organizations -- any partnerve terrorist organizations. [indiscernible] borders -- to our national security. co attempt --up another terrorist organization. -- me also mention [indiscernible] --ould like to all the legal remedies that are available for the action are taken -- -- [indiscernible] ankey will continue to be ally of the u.s. [indiscernible] thank you. mr. misztal: thank you for your comments. over

mr. makovsky: all right, is this better? excellent. obviously, before july 15, there had been a number of people who confidently predicted that the era of coups in turkey was over. the massive outpouring of public opposition to the military when it tried to seize power on july 15 was i think strong evidence of that. where many analysts, including myself, had erred was thinking that everyone in the military had gotten the message as well. there was certainly significant, we do not quite know what percentage, of the military leadership in turkey then, maybe out of sheer desperation, but one way or another had come to the conclusion, erroneously, that they would be able to succeed in toppling the government through military force. when that failed, well, first of all, i guess there was a moment of intense crisis when the coup itself started, and many people thought this was the worst case scenario, that the best case scenario is no coup at all, but even worse than a successful coup would be a partial coup that would push the country into