mr. manafort, right? >> i'm talking about if electronic surveillance was conducted, of course a search warrant was also signed off by a judge, and i do believe at the federal level, you also have to ask as well to have service during darkness or to enter without knocking. >> and in both cases, a very high standard has to be met. i wonder if you as a member of the house intelligence committee will have access to or will seek to have access to anything that was collected under those fisa warrants? >> it would help that whatever bob mueller is able to do, once a decision is made and whether indictments are issued or not, that there would be a two-way street of information sharing, i think we can help his investigation in many ways and once it is concluded, he can help ours. i think the american people would benefit if we were all speaking from an agreed upon set of facts. >> congressman, thank you so much for jumping on the phone and spending time with us, we appreciate it. paul butler what do you make of th

mr. manafort. that in and of itself -- whose the campaign manager. that's remarkable. it's important these were perhaps conversation with russian operatives. if they had a relationship with mr. manafort they would have not gone ahead on the telephone and preferred to be as dissecrete as possible. unless they were trying to bring him along and cross that bridge into a discreet type of relationship. it is quite remarkable they had the level of information needed to conduct this kind of surveillance to try russian operations that touched paul manafort. >> yeah he was campaign chairman. it was 2013, before he was on the campaign, it was really only the second time. jeff, the idea -- >> the timing of these warrants is very tricky and it does not establish this was done at the time he was the campaign chairman from what i could see. >> yeah it seems unclear exactly when. because apparently that meeting in -- that donald trump jr. had, that apparently the reporting was not on there, the fbi was not monitoring or listening in on that. jeff, what do you make of, according to th

mr. manafort, mr. rs during this time period, and i believe that will -- that issue will ultimately be resolved in terms of everybody getting the appropriate documents and information they need. there will be -- we have different goals. and i want mr. goal to be successful, but we have, we're one of the last bipartisan investigations going. we have a obligation back to the senate as well as the american people to see how russia intervened in our elections, was there collusion between the trump campaign and the russians and our standard of evidence is different than what mr. mueller may adhere to. this question of conflict, i know man you, he's a great reporter, but in terms of the senate intelligence committee and the special prosecutors getting along i think we'll get along. >> what you mentioned about mr. manafort changing lawyers, are you saying whether or not mueller gets the transcript of that interview will depend on what manafort's lawyer decides in that matter? isn't the transcript the property

mr. manafort.n and of itself, who is the campaign manager at the time, of course, and that's quite remarkable. what was going on in those conversations, there has been reporting that these were perhaps conversations with russian operatives. that would be something that if they had a relationship with mr. manafort, they would have not wanted to have had on the telephone. they would have preferred to have been as discrete as possible unless they were trying to bring him along and not cross that bridge into a more discrete type of investigation. it is quite remarkable that they had the level of information needed to conduct this kind of surveillance to try to find russian operations that touched paul manafort. >> he was campaign chairman was his official title. if it was 2014, that was before he was on the campaign. >> that's right. >> it was really on the second time that he was deeply involved. >> the timing of these warrants is very tricky and it does not establish that this was done at the time th

intercepts potentially include conversations between manafort and mr. trump. part of the investigation intensely focused on manafort. >> i answered questions and dismissed. >> last week, a spokesman, jason maloney appeared before a grand jury. in ju lie, agents raided manafor's condominium in virginia reportedly picking the locks to getten while he was asleep. how would you characterize what you see happening with paul manafort. >> very aggressive. >> a former federal prosecutor. he says investigators may be pressuring na information in exchange for leniency. >> what do prosecutors do to pressure some one to cooperate. >> doing what they're doing now? >> search warrants. >> search warrants. interviewing everybody around him. and then advising him that he is about to be, or will be indicted. >> in a statement, a spokesman for mr. manafort called on the department of justice to release any intercepts involving him and any non-americans. claiming there is nothing there. manafort under legal pressure before. in 1989 he was accused of being part of a school to steer

mr. manafort's contacts and work on behalf of the ukrainian government. that warrant was concluded for lack of evidence after a period of time. then there's some gap and then the warrant was restarted in relation to investigation between the trump campaign and contacts with russian officials. so it does sound like there are two investigations, but obviously paul manafort's connections to either russian officials or ukrainian officials sympathetic to russian interests are sort of our connective tie here. >> laura, there's also new york times reporting that federal investigators picked manafort's locks on an early morning raid. then followed the house search with a warrant. his prosecutors told mr. manafort they planned to indict him said two people close to the investigation. what do you make of that? >> well, it's likely that the people who were doing the investigation or who were carrying out the search warrant had some indication as to the amount or the weight of the evidence that they were going to find. but it's very important as your last guest was t

mr. manafort was likely to destroy evidence. lawyers and a spokesman for manafort declined to comment for the story, and it's not the only illuminating report from the times on mueller's investigation or the effect it is having. here's another headline. trump lawyers clash over how much to cooperate with russia inquiry. this story dropped during the emmy awards last night. the lawyers reportedly at odds are special counsel to the president ty cobb there on the left who was brought in to manage the response to the russia investigation. and white house counsel don mcgahn on the right. we know this because ty cobb was talking about the russia investigation and talking about mcgahn, apparently, out loud at lunch with another of the president's lawyers in a washington stake house where he apparently didn't realize he was sitting next to a reporter from "the new york times". the times writes about the tension between the two men, quote, at the heart of the clash is an issue that is challenged multiple presidents during high stakes wash

mr. manafort himself may return to the region for the coming vote.manafort is working with the cukurds to break up ir. he's going to go there for the vote? he's flying there now? [ laughter ] >> does he have a return ticket? given all the heat that paul manafort is under from the special counsel and with the trump administration going out of it way to distance itself from them and trying to blame him, it looks like he's leaving the country or maybe he already has for the kurdish referendum happening on monday that he is supporting against the foreign policy of the united states. we reached out to mr. manafort's spe spokesman today who said he won't answer questions but said it's perfectly legal to work overseas. he said if mr. manafort's activities require a foreign registration, he will cop pmpil. if he is leaving, are we sure he is coming back? is anybody checking on that? joining us now is adam winestein. he reported on activities working against u.s. foreign policy in both crimea and e cra -- ukraine and as we're learning more. thank you for bein

mr. manafort they plan to indict him. is also reporting that federal investigators obtained two secret court ordered to conduct surveillance of paul manafort's communications. if true, that means a judge saw indications of criminal conduct and was convinced there was probable cause to believe that manafort was acting as an agent of a federal power. concerns that manafort encouraged the russians to help with the campaign, according to two sources. two of the sources questioned say the evidence is not conclusi conclusive. reacting to cnn's story a manafort spokesman released this statement late today. if true, sit a felony to reveal the existence of a fisa warrant. an investigation should be conduct into the leaks and to examine the motivations behind a previous administration's effort. i'm joined by former counsel of the office of director national intelligence and richard blumenthal of connecticut. matt, tell us about this report. first of all, the picking of the lock. why don't you just knock? >> that's how it usually ge

mr. manafort about the f.b.i. raid on his house? mr. stone: yes. he believes as do i that it's outrageous. they not only took away two folders of documents all of which they already had, but they photographed all of his custom italian suits in his closet. i cannot imagine for what reason. [inaudible] english tailoring is always better than italian tailoring. at least for my body shape. reporter: do you know what manafort may be indicted for? mr. stone: [inaudible] -- based on my brief conversation with him. reporter: you have said you believe he's not guilty of what he might be indicted for. [inaudible] mr. stone: because i think what's happening here is that the special counsel will try to manufacture a crime and then say, look, we won't prosecute you for this, if you simply admit you were colluding with the russians and donald trump knew everything. in other words, bear false witness against the president. i've known paul manafort for over 40 years. i don't believe he's going to do that. he's not going to lie and that would be a lie. reporter: yo

mr. manafort a patient zero in that sense. and at the same time, even though he headed the campaign for several months, there was never a feeling with trump's family and closest advisors, that paul manafort was one of them so they would throe him under the bus harder than they are right now if they knew what he knew. but there is the notion of what if manafort snitches? and the problem is they don't know what he would be snitching about. >> that's a great point. they're ready to deliver him up but don't know what he knows. and maybe the case that people never thought of him as the inner circle but the president himself kept talking to the guy, and lord knows what they talked about and what is on the transcripts of the intercepts apparently being surveilled by the u.s. government. >> the fact is no matter how his family or close advisors feel about any individual, donald trump is going to do what donald trump wants to do. so he will continue to speak to people who have been a problem for him. he will continue to call them late

mr. manafort if one were brought. >> joyce, does this look to you anything but an attempt to flip a big witnesse. >> it is clear that we are seeing mueller's team get closer to making manafort an offer that it will be very difficult for him to refuse. there have been reports that he has not been cooperate receive, that in fact he's been the opposite of being easy for them to approach and work with. and so it's appropriate for them to now take a tough position with him. it looks like he really is going to be in the hot seat with the charges they're compiling against him. >> and joyce, question 1c, tell our audience what the becomes when miller flips you, starting with the fact your friends no longer want to take your calls, no longer want to see you, that the name of the game is to make you a human island and isolate you, correct? >> you know, i think this is absolutely correct. and manafort is not a victim in the process. he is in the hot seat because mueller and his investigators apparently going back ten or so years are able to identify criminal misconduct. whether it's tax or financial fraud

mr. manafort, what would you say is your biggest weakness?" "well, sometimes i think i work too hard. and treason." now, we already-- manafort fans here tonight, evidently. we already knew the f.b.i. conducted a predawn raid of manafort's house back in july, but now we've learned that instead of knocking, "federal agents picked the lock on his front door," which required "prosecutors to persuade a federal judge that mr. manafort was likely to destroy evidence." we're not sure what they present to the judge to prove that, but i'm going to say it was this picture. ( laughter ) "who's that?" ( applause ) those documents? yes, i think i left them in the furnace room. i'll be right back. now, if this seems like an agsiesveganv itiestion, mueller is "setting a tone. it's important early on to strike terror in the hearts of people in washington." yeah, you've got to set a tone early in washington. that's why, on the first day of the session, mitch mcconnell walks up to the biggest guy in the senate and shivs him. laughter ) yeah. yeah. or else mitch is sweet meat, man. yeah. they're making tu

mr. manafort is not yet cooperating with mr. eally don't know what, if any, compromising information he's provided him about the president. the president did fire him. -- the president didn't fire him. paul manafort resigned. but basically the president took offense when paul manafort said to other people the president has really short attention span and i have to go on tv to get his attention. that didn't make the president happy. eric: that was the report. judy, we shall see. judy, good to see you. thank you. >> exactly, thank you, eric. arthel: well first lady melania trump making a very special stop on her first foreign trip. how mrs. trump is honoring an athletic competition for the brave men and women of the military wounded in battle. when my doctor told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd, he told me to look at this grid every day. and we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula the national eye

mr. manafort, he could have been picked up. that's a far cry from mr. trump's tweets saying president obama was tapping his phone. stick with the president has argued his tweet shouldn't be so narrowly construed. >> wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff but that cover surveillance and many other things. >> it's possible the president while he was now the target of a wiretap by his predecessor was wiretapped by the obama administration through telephonic surveillance of his associated which would place mr. trump closer to a measure of indication that he was last wee week. stay one more with the panel. thank you. an earthquake in mexico. another massive hurricane in the caribbean. we will go live to the scene of both next. endless shrimp is back at red lobster. and we went all out to bring you even more incredible shrimp and new flavors. like new nashville hot shrimp, drizzled with sweet amber honey, and new grilled mediterranean shrimp finished with a savory blend of green onions, tomatoes, and herbs. feeling hungry yet? good, 'cause there's plenty m

mr. manafort and i haven't spoken to him for a long time. the campaign for a sort period of time. >> relatively short period of time. he was a key architect of the convention strategy and was not with the campaign a long time, but when he was there, he was somebody. >> he was a guy who worked for me. >> let's contrast what we have seen from the "new york times." the point that julie was making about the tone of robert mueller's team of this force and precision they are bringing to this and the heavy hitters they have on this team and contrast it with the team of lawyers and my colleagues reported trump's lawyers were arguing over whether or not they should recommend kushner step aside for legal protection for the president and they have a stunning story that trump's own attorneys are sitting in a restaurant that is widely known to be openly discussing this case and the confusion swirling around the trump lawyers's team and the force that mueller is bringing not only is the fisa warrant shocking, this dichotomy is shocking too. >> there is a

mr. manafort himself may return to the region in the coming days for the vote. nafort's working with the kurd's to break from iraq. he's going to go there for the vote? he's flying there now? does he have a return ticket? given all the heat paul manafort is under from the special counsel and the trump administration going out of its way to distance from him and blame it on him saying it was him and no one else, it looks like he's leaving the country or maybe already has for the kurd referendum. we reached out to mr. manafort's speaksman today who said he's not going to answer our questions but insisted it is perfectly legal to work overseas if his activities require a foreign registration, he will comply. if he is leaving the country are we sure he's coming back? is anybody checking on that? joining us now a senior editor at task and purpose. he's reported extensively on paul manafort's activities working against u.s. foreign policy in crimea, ukraine and now more. thank you for being with us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> you reported provocatively and int

mr. manafort. i can't comment on that.ly reiterate what i said in march, and i stand on that. >> yeah. and that there is as far as trump tower being wire-taped, according to the president, you say what? >> i stand on what i said on the 5th of march on meet the press, as you just replayed it. >> okay. so did you know -- and i -- just for clarity because there's been a lot of reporting on this, right, and people on -- especially supporters of the president are saying here is proof. so did you know about a fisa warrant against paul manafort at the time? >> i did not. >> you did not. okay. >> and again, i have to say that what we have is media reporting only. and actually, commenting on -- fisa's are classified and so, you know, even if i knew something about it i couldn't and i don't. and again, i will just conclude by saying i stand on what i said on the 5th of march. >> is it possible the president was picked up in a conversation with paul manafort? >> it's certainly conceivable. >> is it likely? >> i can't say. i wouldn't

mr. manafort's conversations in realtime u.s. officials are knowledge of the matter said, but armed with a warrant investigators could have conducted clandestine surveillance of mr. manafort possibly by obtaining copies of his e-mails and other electronically stored communications or by having agents follow him or conduct physical searches of his property." nbc news, we should tell you, has not verified this report. this news comes as an analysis piece in the "washington post" posed an interesting question and theory. "trump versus manafort? the white house sounds ready go to war." that got our attention today. teams from the two men appear to be engaged in a back and forth playing out in the papers. the piece cites last night's "post" report saying manafort offered give a kremlin-linked russian billionaire private briefings on president '16 campaign. investigators think his e-mail showed he wanted to profit from his role to the trump campaign. "bloomberg politics" reporter margaret talev spoke to trump's lawyer, ty cobb, who sai

mr. manafort had a series of relationships with folks in russia.ng to want to bring him in. >> this is new day with chris cuomo and alyson

mr. manafort they called on the department of justice to release any intercepts involving him and any non-americansg, quote, there nothing there. manafort has been under legal pressure before. in 1989 he was accused of being part of a scheme to steer millions of dollars to well connected republican operatives through a new jersey housing project. during a congression alg hearing the well connected lobbyist was pressed to describe what his job entailed. >> you could characterize this as influence. senate intelligence committee leaders abruptly canceled a meeting between michael cohen and an investigator. the committee later invited cohen to appear at a public hearing next month. jeff pegues, cbs news, washington. >>> on "cbs this morning" we ool talk to u.n. ambassador nikki haley about what's next following the president's bold deal and the iran nuclear deal. that's the "cbs morning news" for this wednesday. thank you for watching. i'm anne-marie green. have a great day. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> utter devastation in mexico the morning the death toll continues to rise after a powerf

the intercepts potentially include conversations between manafort and mr. trump. the recordings are now part of special counsel simon simone ros investigation, which appears to be intensely focused on manafort. >> i have answered questions and i've been dismissed. >> reporter: just last week, manafort's spokesman, jason maloni appeared before a grand jury. in july, agents raided manafort's condominium in virginia by reportedly picking the locks to get in while he was asleep. how would you characterize what you see happening with paul manafort? >> very aggressive. >> stephen swrieden berg say former federal prosecutor. he said investigators may be pressuring manafort to give up information in exchange for leniency. what do prosecutors do to pressure someone to cooperate? >> doing exactly what they're doing now. >> reporter: swawrnts. >> swawrnts, interviewing everybody around him, and then advising him that he's about to be or will be indicted. >> reporter: in a statement, a spokesman for mr. manafort called on the department of justice to "release any intercepts in

mr. manafort, they called on the department of justice to release any intercepts involving him and any n-americansganafort has been under legal pressure before. in 1989 he was accused of being part of a scheme to steer millions of dollars to well connected republican operatives through a new jersey housing project. during a congressional hearing the well connected lobbyist was pressed to describe what his job entailed. .luen iceuld characterize this s >> thank you. >> senate intelligence committe meeting between michael cohen and investigators, scolding co infon the committee later invited cohen to appear at a public hearing next month. jeff pegues, cbs news, washington. >>> on "cbs this morning" we will talk with the u.n. ambassador nicky hailey about what's next following the president's bold statement and the iran nuclear deal. that's the "cbs morning news" for this wednesday. thank you for watching. i'm anne-marie green. have a great day. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i'm kenny choi. up as we take a live look at the bay bridge this morning. it is lo

mr. manafort was owed money by past clients, implying it was an attempt to collect. his ties to deripaska dates back to at least 2005 in the interest of russian president vladimir putin. leaks about robert mueller's activity have accelerated in recent days tweeting that president trump's activities are being closely scrutinized. there are 13 different areas investigators want more information about. among them, this year's resignation of national security director michael flynn, the firing of fbi director james comey, and this year, the meeting between president trump and top ruian officials, which mr. trump said comey's firing relieved great pressure off him. peter zeidenberg is a former federal prosecutor who worked with him. >> how would you describe him as a prosecutor? >> as a manager, he's very ver doesn't fool around, moves straight ahead. >> reporter: the white house sads that it is cooperating with special counsel mueller's investigation. jeff pegues, cbs, washington. >>> awe head on "cbs this morning" vice president mike pence joins us in studio 57. we'll a

mr. manafort? g is always better than italian tailoring, at least for my body shape. >> do you know what manafort may be indicted for? >> i don't. and neither does he, based on my brief conversation with him. >> and you have said you believe he is not guilty of what he might be indicted for? why is that? >> well, because i think what's

mr. manafort had a series of relationships with folks in ukraine and in russia. we've seen, and i think this is part of the public record that there are a number of these oligarchs in russia, extraordinarily wealthy individuals who are quite connected with putin and the kremlin. it's one of the reasons why mr. manafort also falls into that category of someone who has had a staff interview, but at some point we're going to want to bring him in as well and appear before the senators to answer as many questions as possible. the more information, the more documents we have before we bring him on that meeting, the more fruitful that session would be. >> that's what's interesting. "the washington post" is reporting on e-mails with the russian billionaire. is he someone you're looking at as well? >> anderson, i'm not going to be able to comment on specific individuals that we're looking into. >> your committee was supposed to marry in private by michael cohen. that interview was canceled. can you explain why it was canceled and what's next? >> mr. cohen who appears a nu

mr. manafort. it sounds like they were perhaps obtaining stored electronic communications. and that wine date that there were ongoing concerns that he was playing a role involving a foreign government that was adverse to the interests of the united states. >> and that's even -- i mean, what's sort of remarkable here, this is after the election, right? so the -- and i want to ask you as someone who worked for the justice department, and that is an institution that's always fascinating to me. just what is your sense -- i mean, can you imagine the conversations that were had and the application that was put together when people inside the justice department are considering a fisa warrant on a man who's advising the person who is now the incoming president of the united states. >> so no fisa applications are routine. but in a typical fisa case, there's still a very intense level of scrutiny of these papers. they take, you know, weeks, not days, to compile absent an emergency situation. prosecutors and the u.s. attorneys office work with their counterparts in the national securi

mr. manafort's perspective. but a fisa warrant is different than how people think of their local police department warrants. sometimes we think of those as fishing expeditions. that is not an equivalent comparison to a fisa warrant which are much more specific and have true checks and balances which we see working here. that we have this panel, that we have this reporting, that we have this issue being discussed is a terrible statement about the state of the presidency of the united states right now regardless of what happens. and if he went to who's going to cut what deals between the house, the senate and the white house, this is a moment of real political potential crisis in the core of our democracy. >> it's also possible that they go after manafort in order to get him to cut a deal. they indict him on one thing being an agent of a foreign government without registering and hope he flips if there's something to flip on. >> absolutely. and you have michael flynn out there too. you have the former national sec

mr. manafort as well alongside the bob muller inquiry and the times around this fbi raid more dramatic than we thought fits very tightly with what was going on with manafort in congress, the morning that his house was raided he spoke to the senate intelligence committee and the following day he was due to speak to the judiciary committee. is it something about his congressional testimony that sparked the timing or this urgency or this aggression from muller? >> sure. and to be totally honest, we just don't know. there are not a lot of coincidences in this world, but to be totally honest, i don't know if that was something that muller's team saw in the initial back and forth between manafort and the hill, if he was trying to head off having testimony. i've heard speculation he wants to try to head off manafort giving a statement to the hills so that, you know, manafort's statement is given to muller and not to the hill. honestly, we don't have reporting to say what the connection, if any, is. >> reporter for "the new york times", help break this scoop tonight. thanks for helping us understan

mr. manafort's testimony.mind your viewers that in order to get the wiretaps that are talked about in general, there is a very high standard in which a judge has to be persuaded about the amount of evidence involved. but i think it's a good indication that the investigation is going forward and there are real concerns about what we're going to find. >> so i'm not asking you specifically about the information but whether or not that has been shared, that particular reporting from cnn about the wiretapping. has it been shared with the house intelligence committee? >> yeah. again, sorry, that's not something i can share with your viewers at this point. >> okay. fair enough. so listen, senator, chuck grassley is asking the fbi if it ever warned candidate donald trump about paul manafort and if not, why? do you have any thoughts on that? >> yeah. it's really an investigation of the investigation. i think it's absolutely fascinating to find out, as we go forward, what exactly took place as the campaign went forward,

mr. manafort? >> english tailoring is always better than italian tailoring, at least for my body shape. >> do you know what manafort may be indicted for? >> i don't. and neither does he, based on my brief conversation with him. >> and you have said you believe he is not guilty of what he might be indicted for? why is that? >> well, because i think what's happening here is that the special counsel will try to manufacture a crime and then say, look, manafort, we won't prosecute you for this if you simply admit you were colluding with the russians in the donald trump new everything. in other words, bear false witness against the president. i've known paul manafort for over 40 years. and i don't believe he is going to do that. he is not going to lie. and that would be a lie. >> are you not familiar with his finances, his taxes? >> most certainly not. i'm sure that they're far more extensive and complicated than mine. but i have no idea what charge he could be indicted on or whether that charge is provab

mr. manafort was likely to destroy evidence. what does all of that mean for the investigation? d how robert mueller is viewing some of these trump associates? >> certainly in terms of manafort, they don't trust him. that much is with the aspect of the no knock warrant. you can see the situation. we know in this case, they were looking for evidence manafort had off-shore bank accounts and they were looking at his finances. they say we have evidence of financial crimes against manafort. and donald trump says, okay, fine, but that has nothing to do with election propaganda or hacking. that's paul manafort's problem. i think you started to see the white house already kind of set the groundwork for that story line. as this kind of plays out. >> where's this thing going next? because i already see guys like roger stone on twitter saying, see, they were eavesdropping on us. but they may have had absolute legal authority to be listening in on paul manafort's conversations. >> sure, and this is in regards to that cnn report that there was a fisa wiretap on paul manafort and certainly, if

mr. manafort, haven't spoken to him in a long time, but i know him. he was with the campaign, as you know, for a very short period of time, relatively short period of time, but i've known him to be a good i was very, very surprised to see it. >> reporter: sources tell abc news the raid was a sign mueller's investigators fear manafort could destroy evidence, and was an etch port to pressure him to divulge details in the lugs ya probe. they are looking into his business dealings overseas, especially ukraine. manafort has denied any connection to vladimir putin. >> are there any ties between mr. trump, you, and putin and his regime? >> no, there are not. that's absurd. >> reporter: just last week, jay so maloney was grilled for more than two hours. man fa northwest clearly in the cross hairs of the russia probe. >> pierre thomas live from washington. and in addition to the special council, the senate intelligence committee also investigating russia meddling. taeshgsd they planned to question the president's long-time personal lawyer, michael cohen behind