mr. manafort and mr.ates surrendered to the fbi monday and subsequently pled not guilty to all charges. president trump said through a spokesperson these actions had zero to do with the white house. everyone agrees this represents an escalation into the investigation. joining me is a lawyer in private practice. before that he serves as assistant attorney general for and staffsecurity, to robert mueller during his time at the fbi. i am pleased to have him on the program. do a primer for us in terms of what led to today, and what happened today. >> looks like today there were two significant developments in the criminal investigation. one was the unsealing of an indictment alleging charges that range to a money laundering count that has a potential penalty of up to 20 years against the former campaign manager for the trump campaign, paul manafort, and one of his business associates. that indictment covers activity where, in the past, manafort worked for the head of the ukrainian government, which was a russ

mr. manafort or the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. >> that's a pretty bold statementthis point. but listen to what he said next. >> mr. manafort represented proeuropean union campaigns for the ukrainian and in that he was seeking to further democracy and to help the ukraine come closer to the united states and the eu. >> that is simply not true. he may as well have said that the earth is flat. it's safe to assume that many americans don't remember what happened in ukraine in february 2014. i do. i was there. it was a moment that split a nation. hundreds of thousands of ukrainians took over the main square in kiev. they were looking to europe and to a better future, free from their president, victorian koe vich. a putin al lie he became president in 2010 and went straight to work trying to tear his country away from europe and bring it back to the russian fold. to the people he was a corrupt puppet working for moscow. for manafort he was a client. >> the pro-russian candidate, was proteching russian language, church, politicians and regime, is advised by paul manafort,

mr. manafort or the trump campaignpe colluded with the russian government. mr. manafort represented pro european union campaigns for the ukrainian, and in that, he was seeking to further democracy and help the ukraine come closer to the united states and the eu. those activities ended in 2014, overof two years before mr. manafort served in the trump campaign. today, you see an indictment brought by an office of special counsel that is using a very novel theory to prosecute mr. manafort regarding a farah filing. the united states government has only used that offense six times since 1966 and only resulted in one conviction. the second thing about this indictment i myself find ridiculous. a claimim maintaining offshore accounts to bring all your funds into the united states as a scheme to conceal from the united states government is ridiculous.en thank you. >> first of all, i thought it was a bit odd the first thing he would say there's no evidence that the president colluded. the ypresident's really not hi client. that struck me r as being rathe odd. at this point

manafort and gates case. for in other words, i think mr. ulos if the trial of manafort and gates were tomorrow he would be on the witness list and he will have something to say about both those gentlemen. and of course asim mentioned mr. padopoulos will have things to say about other individuals named in that charging document, one of whom we learned recently was sam clovis also co-chair of the trump campaign. >> more when we come right back. whoooo. going somewhere? here's some advice. tripadvisor now searches more... ...than 200 booking sites - to find the hotel you want and save you up to 30%. trust this bird's words. tripadvisor. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,... ...isn't it time to let the real you shine through? maybe it's time for otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months,... ...with reduced redness,... ...thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information ha

mr. manafort and mr. trump, jr., attended where they had an organized effort to try to offer dirt or e-mails on hillary clinton. the question was: did folks from the trump campaign respond in kind, and those are questions we still have to get the final answers to. >> dickerson: if the trump campaign was chomping to get its information as it's been portrayed by their critics, you think that one of these two meetings wound have sparked something. but there is no evidence they bit when they were offered this. yes, the russians were offer, but they didn't seem to grab it. at least based on what we know now. >> job, i think those are questions that still need to be answered. there is obviously enormous concern, as well, with the campaign manager and the deputy campaign manager, both indicted, as well. i think there are many more chapters in this story to be told, and some of this information will further down the perhaps, perhaps even with the special prosecutor, we have different lanes. we have a policy revie

mr. manafort's case.in that the lawyers will challenge that warrant that was executed at his home. but the actual basis of the charge is a matter for trial. so on most judges will listen to the arguments, review the motions, but they won't decide whether somebody is guilty or not guilty. they will leave that to the jury. but there are some unique charges in this indictment. i do believe nat special dothat counsel's office is pushing the envelope on the false statement charges and money laundering being based on a tax crime that is not in the indictment. so it is complicated. i'm certain that we will see pretrial challenges, but ultimately i think it will go to trial or result in a guilty plea. >> we know that they are planning to tral think evidence that they say was improperly obtained by search rnt with war subpoenas. if there is a search warrant, how is something improperly obtained? >> if you challenge a search warrant, there are a variety of different arguments you can make. but the most common was i

mr. manafort and his associates, con vivre to be guilty of really money laundering and tax evasion. the answer is to remove mr. heuler. if president trump really thinks mr. mueller has gone beyond his mandate or is acting unethically or is biased, the answer is to fire mueller, but not to issue pardons for anyone connected to any alleged conspiracy. that would be misuse -- >> how would you know at this point because it's early on? how would you even know? and you're saying it has to do with crimes that deal with money and so on, but he's not finished with the investigation yet. >> yeah, that's exactly my point. i quite agree with you, don. the pardon power is really only for two cases. one is when the law seems harsh. that doesn't seem to be present here. it doesn't seem like the law here calls for excessive penalties for money laundering and tax evasion. and the second case the framers had in mind, the one that's more important in the federalist papers, is the idea that you might have a rebellion or a riot, and you need to pardon people in order to restore peace, like the end of the

mr. manafort, did you commit a crime?ump's now indicted former campaign chairman is still controversial. >> reporter: matthew chance, cnn. is it true mr. manafort owed you millions of dollars when he was tr head of the trump campaign? >> reporter: he clearly doesn't like it but his connections with manafort have thrust this magnate into the spotlight. oleg made his fortune in the oil history. at one point he was russia's richest man. >> how did you get there so quickly? nobody understands that. and i think that's why they say there's got to be something shady here. how did it happen? >> you just need to be prepared to work 15 hours a day and take responsibility on a lot of things. >> his rocky relationship with paul manafort began more than a decade ago. one of their ventures was a plan to invest in ukraine. he sent manafort millions to buy a telecommunications firm according to documents. but by 2014 the deal had broken down and he wanted to know where all his money had gone. in a court petition filed in the cayman islan

mr. manafort, mr. gates and mr. papadopoulos is the individuals involved with the campaign and the administration have not been the best as they were supposed to be. in fact, they are suspect of criminal behavior and one has admitted to it. our democracy is at risk, and i fear what could happen to it. that's why i introduced an amendment to the constitution to limit the president's pardon power where he couldn't pardon himself, members of his family, members of his administration or paid members of his campaign staff. he's already pardoned joe arpao and he threatened to use that power in furtherance as he discussed the possibility of pardoning himself. if he does so of any of these pardons, it will be a test of our democracy, and it will be a test of my colleagues on the other side. we must protect democracy and protect america from unlawful activity. i yield back the balance of my time. god bless america. the speaker pro tempore: the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from ohio, ms. aptur. ms. kaptur: madam speaker,

court documents say mr manafort also offered to limit his travel to new york, washington and florida.an, say they'll appeal the sentence he was given by a militaryjudge on friday. bergdahl was spared a custodial term, but given a dishonourable discharge, a $10,000 fine, and a demotion to the rank of private. his lawyers had argued that he was suffering from mental conditions and shouldn't face prison. we spoke earlier to eugene fidell, the lead defence counsel for bowe bergdahl, who also teaches military law at yale school of law. he confirmed he would appeal and gave his reaction to president trump's intervention into the case. he has thrown a spanner into the works here. president trump has committed some of the worst misconduct of any president in terms of interfering with the administration ofjustice. and he has done a world of damage to public confidence in the administration ofjustice. that kind of conduct which we call apparent unlawful command influence is said to be the lawful enemy of militaryjustice and i can assure you we will pursue that very energetically. here in britai

mr. manafort or the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. >> reporter: judge amy berman jackson sternly telling attorneys to stop talking on the courthouse steps and warning this is a criminal trial, it's not a public relations campaign. prosecutors arguing both men pose a flight risk and should remain under house arrest, laying out their case in bluntly-worded court documents. in the last ten years, manafort applications. he currently has ten passports. he recently obtained a cell phone and e-mail account under aliases. gates had 55 bank accounts. manafort's attorney accused the prosecutors of overreaching, saying it's not unusual for someone traveling overseas to have multiple passports. also george papadopoulos cooperating with federal authorities after engaging with the russians during the campaign. and now a fourth man is making news. sam clovis, formerly a white house adviser is withdrawing his name for consideration for department of agriculture. it was clovis who allegedly encouraged papadopoulos to continue talking with the russians, writing in an e-mail "great work." >

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mr. manafort? >> thank you. >> mr. president, what is your reaction to george papadopoulos' guilty plea? >> thank you very much. >> your reaction to the guilty plea, mr. president? >> thank you. >> thank you. >> reporter: on twitter, the president lashed out at former campaign adviser george papadopoulos, who pleaded guilty to lying about his contacts with the russians. "few people knew the young low level volunteer named george, who has already proven to be a liar. check the dems." trump once called him an excellent guy, and sat just a few seats away from him during a national security meeting in march 2016. tonight, this newly obtained video shows papadopoulos at a rally for greek americans last november, praising his candidate, donald trump. papadopoulos told mueller's investigators that during the campaign, he met with people he believed to have close ties with the russian government, and even tried to set up meetings between vladimir putin and candidate trump. prosecutors say he revealed this to at least five seni

mr. manafort or the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. >> reporter: judge amy berman-jackson sternly telling attorneys to "stop talking on the courthouse steps" and warning that this is "a criminal trial, it's not a public relations campaign." the prosecutors arguing both men pose a flight risk and should remain under house arrest. laying their case out in bluntly worded court documents. in the last ten years, manafort has submitted ten passport applications. he currently has three passports. he had recently obtained a new cell phone and e-mail account under an alias that he used in trips to china, equador and mexico. manafort's attorney accused the prosecutors over overreaching, saying it's not unusual for someone frequently travelling overseas to have multiple passports. also tonight, former foreign policy adviser george papadopoulos cooperating with federal authorities after engaging with russians during the campaign. and now a fourth man is making news. sam clovis, currently a white house adviser, is withdrawing his name from consideration for a position at the department

mr. manafort and mr. gates surrendered to the fbi monday

mr. manafort owed you millions of dollars when he was head of the trump campaign? mr. deripaska? these private meetings so he could try to be b paid that debt? he clearly doesn't like it, but his connections with manafort have trust this magnate into the spotlight. deripaska made his fortune in the oil industry. the collapse of the soviet union, at one point, he was russia's riche esest man. >> how did you get there so quickly. i think that's why they say there's got to be something shady. how did i happen? >> and take possibility on a lot of thing. >> deripaska's rocky relationship with paul manafort began more than a decade ago. one of their ventures was a plan to invest in ukraine. deripaska sent manafort millions of dollars to buy a telecommunications firm according to court documents. but by 2014, the deal had broken down and deripaska wanted to know where his money had gone n. a court petition to retrieve the cash, his lawyer said it appears manafort had simply disappeared. the court document named shefrl shell companies raising concerns manafort was heavily in debt. those

mr. manafort reportedly made. live from new york, this is bloomberg. ♪ ♪ shery: welcome back. oomberg markets: balance of power. david: what robert mueller charged paul manafort in a criminal indictment the charges including laundering millions of dollars to support "a lavish lifestyle." patrick harker's real estate for bloomberg. you took a look at the numbers supposedly spent on his various houses and found some interesting or perplexing things. what did you find? patrick: the indictment said million to ad $5.4 home improvement company in the hamptons, long island. the building permits in new york city don't show $5.4 billion worth. david: what did they show? patrick: $5.1 million. shery: that's a big difference. patrick: there may be some on a spec the costs here there. shery: are there any possible explanations you can think of? patrick: i think that's a good one. but every cost needs to show up on a building permit. jobs change and paperwork -- shery: what were the red flags? patrick: aside from the $4 million? i think he would be upset if your contractor came back and sai

mr. manafort, when was the last time you spoke to the president? nn spotted manafort coming home to their condo on tuesday. he can only leave for medical or religious reasons or to meet with his attorney and must check in with authorities daily. some wonder whether the trump campaign vetted manafort properly in the first place. >> manafort has a long reputation of working on presidential campaigns but the fact that is he an outlaw to the extent that he has been slow so far, i'm beginning to wonder if he wasn't an agent of russia. >> reporter: manafort's attorneys said that his client is not guilty. >> there is no evidence that mr. man forth or the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. >> reporter: there's also new information tonight about the trump campaign meeting in march 2016 where george papadopoulos sat just feet from then candidate donald trump, a source in the room says that trump did not dismiss papadopoulos' idea of arranging a meeting with russian president vladimir putin. an official telling cnn, quote, he did didn't say y

mr. manafort colluded with the russian government. >> there's also questions of the meeting where george sat just feet from president trump. a source in the room said the president did not dismiss the idea of arranging a meeting with vladimir putin. he didn't say yes, he didn't say no. but then jeff sessions shut the idea down. wile the white house said it was the only meeting papadopoulos attended -- >> it was a brief meeting that took place sometime ago -- >> cnn is told he attended another meeting. the president wasn't present but sessions was. >> reporter: and more of the details surrounding paul manafort and rick gates, tomorrow is their next court appearance, both men face sentences of up to 10 years if convicted on all charges. >> thank you, jessica. let's get more on the potential mien meeting with vladimir putin, a meeting suggested to donald trump. how damaging is all of this, gloria, the papadopoulos involvement? >> i think that papadopoulos is clearly somebody who wanted to make a name for himself and when he went to all of the people in the campaign, we know that he went to

mr. manafort did something wrong, he will have to serve the sentence. >> but we're talking about the trump campaign. they hired him as their campaign chairman. talk about extreme vetting. >> he got rid of him a few months later, and then the indictment from 2005 to 2015, and it was talking about tax evasion and not giving information to the federal government and he should be accountable for that, and that's all fine. let's do that. tell me where the link is with russia? >> congressman. >> there is none. but we know hillary clinton's campaign paid for the fusion -- >> we have so much breaking news. we know the trump campaign kept setting up meetings and trying to get dirt from kremlin-backed operatives on hillary clinton. you keep omitting that part. we have so much breaking news and we have to leave it there. thank you for being on with us this morning. we are following breaking news including the details about the breaking news in new york city. let's get right to it. >>> here we are at the site in lower manhattan, new york city. a dozen have been injured, and eight people lost their liv

mr. manafort's relationships with russia or hope hicks to talk about how these statements were put out regarding jim comey, that part of the investigation into obstruction of justice, that is a different tentical of this investigation. it's never really clear. it is true if they are talking to hope hicks, it means they are moving up the food cane closer and closer to the president, himself. >> okay. have a good estate, guys. good to have you on the show, appreciate it. >> thank you, too. >>> coming up, a republican says roy moore is a stain on the party. congressman charlie dent will be here to talk about why he believes more is unqualified for office. ♪ ♪ you nervous? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> i dare say that there has not been a politician as bold, determined and courageous in fighting for the cause of liberty and our rights since the times of john quincy adams. >> somehow this godly, honorable, principled, strong leader has been faking being such a man for 40 years, every day in every capacity. you just can't pull that off for 40 years. nobody can. it's absurd. >> a group of women rally'd outside of the st

mr. manafort owed you millions of dollars when he was -- when he was the head of the trump campaign? did he offer you these private meetings so that he could try to be paid? were you a secret back channel from the kremlin to the trump campaign? why won't you answer the questions? we tried to get an interview with you properly, sir, and you keep walking away. did paul manafort owe you millions of dollars as the head of the trump campaign? we just want the real truth. did he owe you millions of dollars? did he offer those private briefings to you as a way to try to repay that debt, mr. deripaska? it's a big issue in the united states, sir. did he offer you private briefings to try to repay some of that debt to you, is that why he offered them? >> get lost, please. thank you. >> reporter: a pretty adamant refusal there but deripaska, the russian oligarch, to answer any questions. off camera, he told me there was no meddling in the u.s. election from the russian side. and that cnn was fake news, both words we have heard expressed, of course, many times in the united states. >> good try,

mr. manafort, what is that -- general michael flynn and mr. manafort, what is the distinction?at whether michael flynn broke the law by failing to disclose the payments from the tv network where he gave a speech in 2015 and sat next to vladimir putin and disclose payments from the turkish government. and ellen alleged meeting in december of 2016 and looking at whether or not he agreed to a quid pro quo to release a -- extradited turkish cleric from the u.s.. the ties between michael flynn and the russian government are more clear than with paul manafort because he was fired for having lied about his conversation with the russian ambassador during the transition, saying it was just pleasantries when they had discussed sanctions. tom: let's go to tax reform. stephanie, i could not find a constructive article on tax-cut over the thanks giving holiday. i kept searching but nothing. >> it has all gone very quiet. ,fter the thanksgiving period the senate will kick into high gear. we probably will expect some changes to the senate bill to get it passed, given the uncertain criticisms

mr. manafort had been notified he was indicted earlier. not only was it by a number of folks in the media but i believe it had been confirmed either by a spokesman or roger stone so it is an unusual thing. i will say one thing i'm having trouble understanding is what the legal team is. they have been very aggressively attacking mueller and they did the same. it is an unusual thing for a defense team to do. it is hard for me to see the upside for that because the prosecutor may be recommending a sentence at some point. there are elements of between the defense on certain issues over the course of a trial. usually arguments are safe for briefs, not for public statements like this. it suggested to me there was a broader political battle being waged here and perhaps this change about when they were notified about part of that political strategy. >> is there any indication or do you any feeling maybe this is the best that, you know, what, hold that. we have donald trump a moment ago meeting with house republicans about the tax plan. let's liste

mr. manafort, ryan is, kind of manafort's boy. he's his associate. he'll be relatively easy, i think, to get to cooperate with the government. he might give up the goods on people like his boss, manafort. that's how these cases are made. it's like "law & order" that tv show, investigators go from office to office asking questions, building clues that ultimately leads them to the big kahuna. >> that of course is the president of the united states. getting us back to donald trump's consistent seeming desire to rid himself of mueller. he obviously fired james comey, jared kushner and others rooting him on to do that. he can't outright fire mueller. he can't get the attorney general do it. he's recused, have to get the acting attorney general, rosenstein, said he won't do it. you now have members of congress. a republican resolution put forward by three members of congress pub lirred friday introducing resolution demanding robert mueller resign on his own based on a completely phantom scandal, uranium 1 scandal. rying to get rid of him. rumors advising d

mr. manafort or the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. >> reporter: and more of the details manafort and rick gates, it could come out when they appear in court tomorrow. of course, jake, both men face sentences of up to ten years if they're convicted on all of these counts. >> jessica schneider, thank you so much. >>> we have a lot more to talk about, such as why did the president need -- why did the president's ex-campaign chairman need an ailian. stick around. ccasion. so the the broom said, "sorry i'm late. i over-swept." [ laughter ] yes, even the awkward among us deserve some laughter. and while it's okay to nibble in public, a lady only dines in private. try the name your price tool from progressive. it gives you options based on your budget. uh-oh. discussing finances is a big no-no. what, i'm helping her save money! shh! men are talking. that's it, i'm out. taking the meatballs. >>> we're back with our politics lead and my panel. let's start about the russia investigation. we have former trump campaign chairman paul manafort has three passports. applied for ten pass

mr. manafort is not going to cooperate and that ultimately what he's hoping for as a legal decision is possibly some kind of pardon from president trump down the road. >> okay. and john, you wrote recently that there were three reasons the mab fort indictment could have a resounding impact on the trump administration. what are those three reasons, my friend? >> well, first of all, it signals the seriousness of the mueller investigation. and mueller right now is untouchable. nobody can come after him. second, it shows that they're going to play "hardball." they're going to go after not just issues related to the campaign but with respect to anything that somebody could have done in their past. the manafort indictment dealt with issues that related to tax returns, having nothing to do with the campaign. and finally, what it tells me is that the trump administration is completely ill prepared to deal with this investigation. they haven't lined up a defense team that meet's mueller's team person foreperson. they just haven't done that. >> all right. thanks. officials in new york are going the extra

mr. manafort. regarding a filing.states government has only used that offense six times since 1966, and only resulted in one conviction. >> fact check. true. these kinds of cases are rarely prosecuted. we find only seven criminal cases in 50 years with one conviction at trial. but there is more to it. when foreign lobbying is prosecuted, kit lead to real jail time which could be bad news for manafort or tony podesta. mueller indicted manafort and rick gates for several charges including illegally failing to register lobbying for ukraine. the bad news for manafort is mueller does have clear precedence where breaking this law gets you in trouble. and that may sound familiar if you've been following this probe. they touch on money laundering, secret foreign lobbying, and yes, political efforts to change u.s. sanctions policy. here are three press denlts where cases did lead to jail time. first an international plot. a south korean businessman busted for being saddam hussein -- >> the u.n. let saddam sell his oil in excha

mr. manafort or the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. >> reporter: there is also new informationonight about that trump campaign meeting in march 2016 where george papadopoulos sat just feet from then candidate donald trump. a source in the room says that trump did not dismiss papadopoulos' idea of arranging a meeting with russian president putin. an official telling cnn, quote, he didn't say yes and he didn't say no. but then senator jeff sessions shut the idea down. and while the white house said it was the only meeting that papadopoulos attended -- >> it was a brief meeting that took place quite sometime ago. it was the one time that group ever met. >> reporter: cnn is told he attended another campaign policy meeting. trump was not in attendance, but sessions was, and sat next to papadopoulos. >> jessica, how is the president responding to the new details about his meeting with papadopoulos? >> reporter: anderson, he's silent so far. of course, it was just yesterday that president trump tweeted about papadopoulos, calling him a liar. but now with the latest revelations that pr

mr. manafort. i haven't spoken to him in a long time. but i know him. he was with the campaign for a very short period of time. >> i never heard of papadopoulos. he never showed up at trump tower, never had any interaction with any of the campaign leaders around me. >> do you remember george papadopoulos during that march meeting? >> i don't remember much about that meeting. it was a very unimportant meeting. it took place a long time ago. don't remember much about it. >> paul was not there for very long. what people don't mention, paul was not there for a very long period of tile. >> what was it that convince you'd he had to be let go? >> i think we found out he may be involved with certain nations. and i don't know exactly what it was in particular. >> anyway, he headed up the campaign the entire summer. let me go back to julia. what do you make of this i don't know nothing approach to all these people? >> of course it makes since that the trump administration would want to be distancing themselves from this. but it also makes sense that the russians

mr. manafort who violated foreign agent ss registration act. would you agree these cases would not likely have become public? >> perhaps. but let me back off of that to say i really have not followed that closely and i do haam not pro privy to the information. >> i accept that. the point is a lot of things stayed below the radar and special investigation has brought that attention. and in the view of many of us it's long overdue. historical evidence going back to bush. to develop a strategy integrated with doj national security efforts. and similar calls for higher means of enforcement. but been no substantive action for any congress over that time and sharp decline in compliance over the last two decades. so clearly everybody can agree much has changed in the world since the law first enacted in 1938. the question is would you agree to work with us, us me and this committee to correct these very serious problems so we can update our disclosure laws so the american people can see what's going on? >> i would. i believe i our professional staff b

mr. manafort or the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. >> the landlord of the ghost shipse got death threats following the inferno. >> plus it's amazing officer nash it's a hero. >> the new york police officer who took down a terror suspect speaks for the first time. >> i'm grateful for the recognition we have received. >> but first, today former trump campaign officials paul manafort and rick gates will face a federal judge. good morning, it is thursday, november 2nd. i'm kenny choi. >> i'm michelle griego. >>> kpix 5's jackie ward is in the newsroom with more on the charges they are facing in connection with to the ongoing russian investigation. >> reporter: both men pleaded not guilty earlier this week to a slew of charges including money laundering and conspiracy. special counsel robert mueller unveiled the charges in connection to his investigation into possible collusion between members of the trump campaign and russia. the charges are prompting some to question if the trump campaign properly investigated paul manafort in the first place. >> paul manafort has a long

mr. manafort and others are a different scope.an't speak with any knowledge on that with the exception i think there's a distinction there. >> do you think the white house is doing a good job on russia? we've got a new poll out today that says that more than half the country thinks that donald trump -- "the washington post" poll, more than half -- 58% approve of bob mueller's investigation and 49% of the american public believe it's likely that trump himself committed a crime. >> i heard earlier with a reporter on that that the number was not -- was a combined number in terms of -- >> i'll throw you ten points. let me shave ten points. say they are ten points wrong. the margin of error. do you think they're doing a good job if 48% of the public approves of the investigation and 49% thinks the president committed a crime? >> the white house is leaning in to say we're cooperating. >> you refuse to say that bob mueller is a man of integrity. that's not the white house's posture. >> i can say personally that i believe bob mueller is a

mr. manafort, who have violated the foreign agents registration act. would you agree without that, these cases would likely have not become public? mr. sessions: perhaps. say i do not to have privy to the information and it would be inappropriate really for me to express and opinion. >> except that. the point is that a lot of these things have stayed under the radar because there have not been appropriate attention and focus on it and the special investigation has brought that end in the view of many of us is long overdue. there is historical evidence going back as far as the administration of your j h w bush about the lawn this area despite repeated recommendations to develop a strategy with the dlg -- doj national security efforts. there has been no substantive action and there has been a sharp decline in compliance of the last two decades. clearly everybody can agree much has changed in the world since a lot was first and acted in 1938. the question is, would you agree to work with us to correct these very serious problem so that we can update our di

mr. manafort and to what you would presume to see with mr. flynn. tigation separate and distinct -- general flynn investigation separate and distinct from paul manafort? >> i think it is all connected but angles investigators are looking at, this is a separate track. we should note that paul manafort and mr. gates were charged conspiring against the united states for the business dealings either with pro-russian factions in the ukrainian government. i want to great what i just said . a statement from the transition office -- correct what i just said it, a statement from the transition office, they said we do not have evidence of such meetings. i want to be specific. ,om: thank you for that separating rumors and speculation as he delicately put it. kevin cirilli and washington. the wall street journal reporting that robert mueller expanses investigation on general michael flynn. businessweek, the cover story is on tax reform. or maybe just tax cuts. this is bloomberg. ♪ ♪ tom: your -- friday, "bloomberg: surveillance." " getting you ready for the week

mr. manafort, mr.ary issues to try to get them to operate like mr. papadopoulos did. how likely is he to succeed? >> in terms of how long the process is, no one can answer that. it can go on as long as the special counsel thinks he needs to go. look at the classic cases, the whitewater investigation and the clinton era. who would have thought that an examination of the rose law firm corporate records would end up with a stain on monica lewinsky's dress? how much money was invested in that investigation? the first time in my career i remember people asking how much money we are spending on this. this can go on as long as the special counsel thinks it is necessary. you are exactly right, there may well be -- i would be surprised if there weren't more ancillary charges to come out of that. they're looking at a lot of people who have a lot of complex business arrangements. i would be surprised if there weren't additional ancillary charges. you are right again that what they attempt to do is when they charg

mr. manafort as kind of manafort's boy, he's his associate, so he will be relatively easy i think to get to cooperate with the government. he might give up the goods on people like his boss manafort. that's how these cases are made. i always say it's like law and order, the tv the show, where investigators go office to office asking questions building clues that ultimately leads them to the big kahuna. >> and that of course is the president of the united states. and liz bet, thelizabeth, that k to trump's consistent desire to get rid of mueller. he ultimately fired james comey. he can't outright fire mueller. he would have to get the deputy attorney general to do it who said he one of the. you now have members of congress introducingdema demanding that robert mueller resign on his own based on this. there are human rule others that steve bannon is encouraging trump to defund mueller's investigation. can any of these attempts be seen on the impeachment side or in a legal sense? >> well, i think that they are getting into deep water if they try to do that. i think both on a criminal sense

mr. paul manafort, who violated that. you agree without the investigation of these cases would likely not become public? >> perhaps. let me back off and say, i have not followed that closely and do not have into the information, and it would be inappropriate for me to express an opinion. >> i accept that. the point, a lot of these things stay below the radar, because or not has been focus and attention, and the investigation brought that. it is long overdue. historical evidence going back as far as the administration of george h.w. bush to reform the law in this area. this is despite repeated recommendations to have a strategy with the dod national security effort, and similar calls for higher meetings. there's been no substantive action by any congress over all the time, and there's been a sharp decline of course, with the compliance of the last two decades. everybody can agree much has changed in the world since it was enacted 1938. would you agree to work with us, me, and this committee to address these serious problem

you saw the indictments this week of paul manafort and mr.ates and the plea deal with papadopoulos. what do you make of them? >> well, there are, they are a nice beginning, i suppose, if you're a prosecutor. but they are a beginning. and notably, the deal with pap adopt louse that has -- papadopoulos that has everybody's eyebrows going up and down did not charge him with anything like collusion. he was charged with making a false statement. paul: which is kind of the lowest level of prosecution -- >> there's no such thing as collusion as a crime. you will look in vain in the criminal code to find a crime of collusion. conspiracy, yes. but not collusion. paul: why do you think they didn't charge conspiracy? i guess maybe they didn't have the evidence that he was conspiring with anybody? >> correct. and what they advanced as the at the same statement of the crime or the statement of the criminal background shows that this guy was kind of a low-level climber who was trying to push his way to the top, talking about how wonderful it would be if do