mr. maples attorneys, mr. maples to attorneys in new york had left the firm -- >> then why did they send to maples although the notice, you'd better find a federal haiti is? they didn't send it to those council. what made them said that notice directly to maples and not to either of the sullivan & cromwell lawyers? >> again, this is information that is not in the record, your honor. it's my understanding that council looked, figure out what happened, figured out the appeals had been missed, had calculated how much time mr. maples had to file this 220 -- 20 to 54 petition, and based on his 20 years of expense, said that in light of the fact that the state court proceeding for over, the most prudent thing for them to do would be to send the letter to maples himself. >> so he gave it out that something had terminated the relationship and mr. maples and as lars? >> no, your honor, i don't think that's an accurate characterization of what exactly happened in this case. but in the very least, his lawyers had missed t